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Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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As a practical example, I'm guessing there's concern that they could get personal sexuality information about someone in the military and extort them with it. Seems really quite plausible to me.

But they already have it, right? If they wanted data on the sexual orientation of 27 million Americans, they have it.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

#42

As a practical example, I'm guessing there's concern that they could get personal sexuality information about someone in the military and extort them with it. Seems really quite plausible to me.

But they already have it, right? If they wanted data on the sexual orientation of 27 million Americans, they have it.

Yes, they already have it, and that is the concern. If someone in Chinese intelligence wanted high quality extortion material, Chinese ownership of Grindr means they could probably get it with relative ease.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

#43

Nice to see someone taking the Chinese foothold in SV seriously. I've also heard people who go to work for Chinese companies are then blacklisted from US Government defense- and intel-related work for 1 year. Can anyone confirm?

> blacklisted from US Government defense- and intel-related work for 1 year While I don't have the knowledge to confirm or deny this, I find it pretty lenient of the US not only because it's only a year, but also because it's open enough about it. Keeping in mind Aurora and the Lockheed Martin F35 hack, and that national security opposing a superpower is not a problem that solves itself, I find it does not undermine…

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> blacklisted from US Government defense- and intel-related work for 1 year While I don't have the knowledge to confirm or deny this, I find it pretty lenient of the US not only because it's only a year, but also because it's open enough about it. Keeping in mind Aurora and the Lockheed Martin F35 hack, and that national security opposing a superpower is not a problem that solves itself, I find it does not undermine…

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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Other dating apps also allow users to state their sexual preferences, so although Grindr might have a higher density of potential blackmail material, they're not even guaranteed to have the largest collection. There must be something else that sets them apart from others. (Maybe they were the first to be acquired by a Chinese company?)

My guess is the density of potential blackmail material _is_ what sets it apart from the others -- the very act of being registered on Grindr is almost a smoking gun for being non-heterosexual if you wanted to out somebody. Much better odds of finding a target that matches with your other info and much more "damning" evidence to scare people with. edit: Furthermore, what other Chinese company owns a dating site used…

Unique with Grindr is that it's a safe bet that the majority of users have sent and received explicit photos. So if you want to find a congressman's dick pics that his wife doesn't know he's been sending to men..... grindr is probably a good place to do it.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

#47
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they already have it, right? If they wanted data on the sexual orientation of 27 million Americans, they have it.

Yes, they already have it, and that is the concern. If someone in Chinese intelligence wanted high quality extortion material, Chinese ownership of Grindr means they could probably get it with relative ease.

I think what they're saying is that the horses are out of the barn now, reversing the sale won't undo the damage.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

#48
post #44

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There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

It's national origin based, not race based.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

It's not a question of whether you have a Chinese spouse; that's not correct, and that would be racist.

It's a question of whether or not you or your spouse have ongoing relationships with Chinese nationals and could, as a result, be subject to influence by the Chinese government.

If you were married to someone who, say, had fled China and had no connection to anyone there, that's likely to be fine. If you're married to someone who has a whole extended family back in China and visits them four times a year, well, that's pretty obviously a potential vulnerability that's going to be considered as part of a background investigation.

It's not a question of ethnicity or race, it's a question of having avenues of influence by a foreign government.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

#50

As a practical example, I'm guessing there's concern that they could get personal sexuality information about someone in the military and extort them with it. Seems really quite plausible to me.

But they already have it, right? If they wanted data on the sexual orientation of 27 million Americans, they have it.

Presumably Grindr is going to continue to exist and gain new users, possibly for quite a long time. Just because they already have data on 27 million doesn't mean we should just shrug and leave it open for future millions more.
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