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AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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What makes you think the FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over deceptive marketing?

because deceptive marketing is a consumer protection thing the FTC would go after

Somebody better tell the fcc then! https://transition.fcc.gov/eb/tcd/mktg.html

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

It depends entirely where you are. Here in Maryland I’m getting over 200 mbps down on an iPhone XR: https://www.speedtest.net/result/i/3160011117

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

Ookla just told me I am getting 85Mbps download and 11Mbps upload on AT&T LTE.

76 down, 49 up with Google Fi on a Pixel 2 for me

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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You would think the FCC would have something to say about this.

I can’t find anything in the Communications Act of 1934 that gives the FCC jurisdiction over marketing practices.

The FTC does though. It's a shame different departments of the same body seem to act as completely sovereign and unattached nations of bureaucracy though.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

#45

Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

I get about 2mbit w/ 4G LTE on a ~$50 plan... For the first week my phone showed 80-115mbit but that didn't last.

My carrier tells me that in order to downgrade my plan I would have to first cancel my phone number and wait a month.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

It depends entirely where you are. Here in Maryland I’m getting over 200 mbps down on an iPhone XR: https://www.speedtest.net/result/i/3160011117

The requirements for the proposed 4G spec are actually even higher than that -- 100Mbps was for high-mobility clients, whereas low-mobility clients were promised 1Gbps speeds.

https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/m/R-REC-M.1645-0-20...

page 9 defines high / low mobility as follows: "low mobility covers pedestrian speed, and high mobility covers high speed on highways or fast trains (60 km/h to ~250 km/h, or more)." (this is roughly 35 to 150 mph)

We are nowhere near those speeds, even on the best networks.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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It depends entirely where you are. Here in Maryland I’m getting over 200 mbps down on an iPhone XR: https://www.speedtest.net/result/i/3160011117

The requirements for the proposed 4G spec are actually even higher than that -- 100Mbps was for high-mobility clients, whereas low-mobility clients were promised 1Gbps speeds. https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/m/R-REC-M.1645-0-20... page 9 defines high / low mobility as follows: "low mobility covers pedestrian speed, and high mobility covers high speed on highways or fast trains (60 km/h to ~250 km/h, or more)…

The ITU IMT standards are dumb and meaningless.

They just set aspirational targets, but don’t define any technology for meeting those targets. ITU jumped from 200 kbps for 3G to 1 gigabit for 4G. That was not a useful definition and the market correctly ignored it. Imagine if we had “3G” wired networking defined as 100 mbps and “4G” wired networking aspirationally defined as 10 gigabit. What would you do when the IEEE (the folks who actually make the technology) release 1G Ethernet. Would you insist on calling it 3.5G wired networking?

“4G” is LTE. It’s 4G because it’s what came after HSDPA/EVDO, not because it meets any particular ITU target.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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4G was supposed to achieve 100mbit peaks and I have yet to see speeds even approaching this with 4G LTE. So if somebody is enforcing advertising rules they're doing a shit job...

I get about 2mbit w/ 4G LTE on a ~$50 plan... For the first week my phone showed 80-115mbit but that didn't last. My carrier tells me that in order to downgrade my plan I would have to first cancel my phone number and wait a month.

I get 18mbit down, 4 up on the lowest end pre-paid tmobile plan. But I'm also in the suburbs of large metro areas where the networks are fairly well built out. However, this is one of the reasons I pay full price on my phone and stick to pre paid. Lot's more flexibility to up stakes and move to a different carrier if they start downgrading service.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get about 2mbit w/ 4G LTE on a ~$50 plan... For the first week my phone showed 80-115mbit but that didn't last. My carrier tells me that in order to downgrade my plan I would have to first cancel my phone number and wait a month.

I get 18mbit down, 4 up on the lowest end pre-paid tmobile plan. But I'm also in the suburbs of large metro areas where the networks are fairly well built out. However, this is one of the reasons I pay full price on my phone and stick to pre paid. Lot's more flexibility to up stakes and move to a different carrier if they start downgrading service.

I'm on prepaid but I'm paying for data consumption I just don't utilize given the abysmal speeds. I have to use a mobile VPN just to achieve decent peering.

Basically to get around this absurd policy I have to switch to another carrier and back over two months. However, I don't plan to switch back once I make the jump.

In the last year I've traveled to a couple states and a few dozen cities and I had garbage speed and latency in all of them. T-Mobile's solution was that I buy a new phone. But the phone achieved 100mbit when I first got my plan.

Re: AT&T’s “5G E” is slower than Verizon and T-Mobile 4G, study finds

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Are there rules for enforcing (and by whom?) the term “5G”? Or is it like the word “natural” for health food?

I am in downtown Denver Colorado and can’t even reach 10Mbps on 4G LTE (Att).

In the Czech Republic, on a prepaid SIM card, I received around 50Mbps, many years ago.

I have zero trust in these wireless generation differences. There are so many other variables in end-user speed.

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