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Re: Iconoclast: a Gothic/Cyberpunk MUD RPG, Online Since 1996

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profsnuggles wrote: post #24

Odd coincidence, I read this HN thread and when I checked my email I had an update from Starmourn. A new scifi mud from Iron Realms that launched the end of 2018. I can't say much more about it though. When I signed up to the mailing list ~3 years ago I was maybe too optimistic about the amount of future free time I would have. I do think that it's interesting that new commercial MUDs are launching. (Well one anyway.…

Hoo boy, Iron Realms. Achaea was my very first experience with pay-to-win multiplayer games. I don't know if the rest of them are any better, but I know that Iron Realms was the first game company that made me feel disgust as a player. In that sense, they were the precursor of EA.

Re: Iconoclast: a Gothic/Cyberpunk MUD RPG, Online Since 1996

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Post by Diederich »

CodeMage wrote: post #40
Diederich wrote: post #21

I've been playing MUME, MultiUsers in Middle Earth https://mume.org:4143/ off and on since it came up in late 1991. It's like playing PvE and PvP inside of Tolkien's books. The quality of the text in the rooms and zones is extremely and consistently high, and the world is enormous. As of right now, here's the world map: https://pastebin.com/L8Yn8EhD The two G's on the left are the Grey Havens. The R is Rivendell, the…

MUME was the MUD I played the most. On the plus side, I absolutely loved the world size, complexity and quality. On the negative side, the gameplay balance was horrible. And, since I was playing from South America, my ping didn't help either. I tried some other MUDs later, but most of them have smaller worlds, not so intricate or well-described. I just couldn't get that same magic of exploring that I did from MUME. I…

Good to see a fellow MUME player! (current or ex :)

> the gameplay balance was horrible.

I think I know what you're getting at, but it would depend on when you played the game.

What balance did you find horrible, and roughly what year was that finding?

Thanks!

Re: Iconoclast: a Gothic/Cyberpunk MUD RPG, Online Since 1996

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Post by CodeMage »

Diederich wrote: post #42
CodeMage wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MUME was the MUD I played the most. On the plus side, I absolutely loved the world size, complexity and quality. On the negative side, the gameplay balance was horrible. And, since I was playing from South America, my ping didn't help either. I tried some other MUDs later, but most of them have smaller worlds, not so intricate or well-described. I just couldn't get that same magic of exploring that I did from MUME. I…

Good to see a fellow MUME player! (current or ex :) > the gameplay balance was horrible. I think I know what you're getting at, but it would depend on when you played the game. What balance did you find horrible, and roughly what year was that finding? Thanks!

I played roughly from 1999 until 2001. The biggest pain points for me were:

* The game wanted to motivate PVP, but it did so by punishing PVE players horribly: at higher levels, dying to a mob meant losing more than one whole level, which was hard to get back.

* If you played anything but a tank, ping mattered too damn much. I like scouts/thieves. My ping stank. My experience wasn't very happy ;)

* Mandos sleep. Need I say more? Whose idea was that? I'm lucky I never got it, but it's inexcusably bad game design.

* I understand that playing evil races is supposed to be inherently harder, but it was too damn hard. My favorite moments were when the "darkies" (I apologize, but that was the slang for evil races back then) would come raid Bree and Fornost. Yes, it was terrifying for us pukes, but I loved it.

I have contemplated going back many, many times, but the first pain point I mentioned always keeps me back. I just can't dedicate that much time to a game that rewards so little and punishes so much. But I miss it a lot, too :)

Re: Iconoclast: a Gothic/Cyberpunk MUD RPG, Online Since 1996

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Post by Diederich »

CodeMage wrote: post #43
Diederich wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to see a fellow MUME player! (current or ex :) > the gameplay balance was horrible. I think I know what you're getting at, but it would depend on when you played the game. What balance did you find horrible, and roughly what year was that finding? Thanks!

I played roughly from 1999 until 2001. The biggest pain points for me were: * The game wanted to motivate PVP, but it did so by punishing PVE players horribly: at higher levels, dying to a mob meant losing more than one whole level, which was hard to get back. * If you played anything but a tank, ping mattered too damn much. I like scouts/thieves. My ping stank. My experience wasn't very happy ;) * Mandos sleep. Need…

Well, Mandos sleep should have only come into play if you were killing other members of your 'side'. I spent a lot of time playing characters on both sides, killing and being killed in PvP, but always cross 'side', and Mandos sleep was never a thing.

Ping time is definitely important, but I had a lot of success playing on a 1200 and then a 2400 baud modem. Running PPP over that gave me some nasty latency spikes. You could not always play in the normal way, but the game was definitely fun and playable, in different ways. (:

Re: losing more than a whole level after dying: that and the other 'hard' things about the game really drew me in.

I crave games where there are real risks, something substantial to lose. For most free games, that is going to be mean time.

It's like the difference between playing laser tag and paintball wars. It usually hurts to get lit up with paintballs. Thus, all of the players are far more focused and invested in doing well.

Definitely consider going back. There aren't that many players on these days. When I checked the other day, there were only 30 or so.

So you can play with relative safety in vast chunks of the world, as either side.

Re: Iconoclast: a Gothic/Cyberpunk MUD RPG, Online Since 1996

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Post by CodeMage »

Diederich wrote: post #44
CodeMage wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I played roughly from 1999 until 2001. The biggest pain points for me were: * The game wanted to motivate PVP, but it did so by punishing PVE players horribly: at higher levels, dying to a mob meant losing more than one whole level, which was hard to get back. * If you played anything but a tank, ping mattered too damn much. I like scouts/thieves. My ping stank. My experience wasn't very happy ;) * Mandos sleep. Need…

Well, Mandos sleep should have only come into play if you were killing other members of your 'side'. I spent a lot of time playing characters on both sides, killing and being killed in PvP, but always cross 'side', and Mandos sleep was never a thing. Ping time is definitely important, but I had a lot of success playing on a 1200 and then a 2400 baud modem. Running PPP over that gave me some nasty latency spikes. You…

> Well, Mandos sleep should have only come into play if you were killing other members of your 'side'. I spent a lot of time playing characters on both sides, killing and being killed in PvP, but always cross 'side', and Mandos sleep was never a thing.

I thought that was Valley of Morgul, not Mandos sleep? I could have sword Mandos sleep was something that could strike a high-level char not-quite-but-sort-of randomly, ostensibly to prevent spamdying. Sort of a "take some time to cool off, buddy" thing.

> Re: losing more than a whole level after dying: that and the other 'hard' things about the game really drew me in.

> I crave games where there are real risks, something substantial to lose. For most free games, that is going to be mean time.

I guess that's the key difference right there. I found the punishments excessive and, to make things worse, the ping was leading me straight into those punishment situations. I like having real risks, too -- that's why I think the latest changes in Conan Exiles are actually pretty good -- but I guess I disagree about how hard the punishment should be.

Ironically, I felt that way back when I had oodles and oodles of free time. Now that I'm married and have a kid, I have even less of that, so you can imagine that I'm quite leery of going back to a game that threatens to punish me by taking away huge amounts of something I have so little of ;)

At any rate, I might try it again. Few games have ever scratched that itch for me.

EDIT: To clarify, it's not the safety that I need in a game. One of the best moments I still remember was when I had to run away from a BN who surprised me while I was trying to do Malardil. Safety is overrated. Losing more than a full level because I'm running from a big bad PK player and I mobrip? That's depressing ;)

Re: Iconoclast: a Gothic/Cyberpunk MUD RPG, Online Since 1996

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Post by kageneko »

sdrothrock wrote: post #34

I basically learned to program for Wheel of Time-based MUDs... first on The True Source, then on The Weave, and then on As the Wheel Weaves. It was amazing how much drama existed behind the scenes and how there would be a family tree of staff/codebases stemming from that drama and stolen code/areas. As the Wheel Weaves is apparently not running anymore, but a few years ago I found a split of a split that still has an…

Oh hey, a fellow Weaver. Sorta.

Back then, I was Artanin and the drama is why I gave up the mud. I did put the Weave files I have on github, tho.

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