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Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by BadassFractal »

stcredzero wrote: post #35
c3534l wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Black metal is way sillier than death metal. In the early days, sure, there were a group of people who took the imagery of metal seriously or at least tried to. But black metal is so theatric and cartoonish these days. It'd be like being afraid Count Chocula will inspire a generation of cannibals.

It'd be like being afraid Count Chocula will inspire a generation of cannibals. Years ago, there were the fundamentalist types who would've thought that the vampire/occult theme was a cutesy backdoor into pulling kids into satanic occult stuff. Same sort of people who tried to stigmatize D&D and video games. Same sort of people who wanted to censor books, music, movies, etc. In 2019, we have a new kind of fundamental…

Oh hey, as someone who's been on the "wrong" side of both the "Right's" 80s/90s family values moral panic (D&D, Marilyn Manson, violent videogames etc.) and the "Left's" progressive moral panic, I also can relate to that connection. The pendulum keeps swinging, yet either way we are being preached to as being immoral and in need of repenting.

Either for sinfulness or privilege, which serve the same purpose in their ideological frameworks.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by mhh__ »

cletus wrote: post #30

So here's a thought that just occurred to me. For context, I've never understood death metal or anything in that realm. The screaming in particular... but I realize that's just my personal preference. No judgment intended. Just opinion, not objective fact. So only recently I discovered the ASMR phenomenon. And it seems like ~10% of the population (estimated) get a particular response to those sounds. Other commenters…

I don't it's a genetic thing.

AFAIK I like more genres than I don't, but everything I've ever gotten into (Rock -> Metal -> Jazz -> Hip Hop -> No Preference) has been because I've convinced myself to like it. Possibly a genetic trait but it doesn't feel right, especially given that metal music can be appreciated for totally different reasons: One doesn't listen to Opeth the same way as meshuggah

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by 1000units »

pacerwpg wrote: post #6
RickS wrote: post #4

Great to see research coming to a conclusion I think most metalheads intuitively know. I love walls of sound, I love intensity that feels like it takes a surplus of cognitive bandwidth (ADHD) and gives it a little bit of resistance to tug against, almost like those various rubber stress toys. I think most metal fans hear lyrical gruesomeness as something between fantasy and a cause for more empathy than anything else…

I always look at it as a kind of performance art, for people who would never admit that they like performance art. It's absurd, and it's ridiculous and it's a really fun live experience.

Some artists address this phenomenon directly:

Wimps and posers, leave the hall. --- Manowar, Metal Warriors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxwcr72VcKg

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by somlor »

Some recent favs:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5eQuhBfDE0

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHlZA5OYj2I

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WeeMHq3I3Y

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFM7kj0RII

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ekRLVXIIpw

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlFeOy-I2MY

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Qqk_wNFOk

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by electricslpnsld »

hi5eyes wrote: post #19
RickS wrote: post #4

Great to see research coming to a conclusion I think most metalheads intuitively know. I love walls of sound, I love intensity that feels like it takes a surplus of cognitive bandwidth (ADHD) and gives it a little bit of resistance to tug against, almost like those various rubber stress toys. I think most metal fans hear lyrical gruesomeness as something between fantasy and a cause for more empathy than anything else…

codeine king is very much not rooted in any metal, as a band from the sludgewave era of metalcore/hardcore its a sound rooted in hardcore, codeine king is not metal vctms is a metalcore band jfac is a deathcore band, esp during the doom ep era deathcore being a combination of death metal and metalcore actually, none of the bands you linked are metal

No one has cared about that TRVE nonsense in almost two decades, gatekeeping genres is trite.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by taneq »

stcredzero wrote: post #14
RickS wrote: post #4

Great to see research coming to a conclusion I think most metalheads intuitively know. I love walls of sound, I love intensity that feels like it takes a surplus of cognitive bandwidth (ADHD) and gives it a little bit of resistance to tug against, almost like those various rubber stress toys. I think most metal fans hear lyrical gruesomeness as something between fantasy and a cause for more empathy than anything else…

Most of the metalheads I know are absolute teddybears. I listen to some pretty heavy stuff (see links), but the other day I cried at a dog video, and recently had to turn off the police scanner at the mention of a particularly sad crime. There's a weird rule of opposites which can happen with music. I think people often take up art and music as a form of healing, so there's some kind of reaction vector involved. Lots…

I remember reading about some study ages ago about an inverse relationship between violence in music and violence in daily life. Basically they found that gangsters who were doing horrible things every day listened to much 'nicer' music than people living essentially nonviolent lives.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by hi5eyes »

electricslpnsld wrote: post #45
hi5eyes wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

codeine king is very much not rooted in any metal, as a band from the sludgewave era of metalcore/hardcore its a sound rooted in hardcore, codeine king is not metal vctms is a metalcore band jfac is a deathcore band, esp during the doom ep era deathcore being a combination of death metal and metalcore actually, none of the bands you linked are metal

No one has cared about that TRVE nonsense in almost two decades, gatekeeping genres is trite.

ight bet

that doesnt invalidate the fact that metalcore isn't metal, since it's rooted in punk hence, metal core

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by trophycase »

electricslpnsld wrote: post #45
hi5eyes wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

codeine king is very much not rooted in any metal, as a band from the sludgewave era of metalcore/hardcore its a sound rooted in hardcore, codeine king is not metal vctms is a metalcore band jfac is a deathcore band, esp during the doom ep era deathcore being a combination of death metal and metalcore actually, none of the bands you linked are metal

No one has cared about that TRVE nonsense in almost two decades, gatekeeping genres is trite.

Correcting genre labels is hardly gatekeeping.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by hi5eyes »

trophycase wrote: post #48
electricslpnsld wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one has cared about that TRVE nonsense in almost two decades, gatekeeping genres is trite.

Correcting genre labels is hardly gatekeeping.

words have meanings, a crazy concept to some

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by trophycase »

RickS wrote: post #4

Great to see research coming to a conclusion I think most metalheads intuitively know. I love walls of sound, I love intensity that feels like it takes a surplus of cognitive bandwidth (ADHD) and gives it a little bit of resistance to tug against, almost like those various rubber stress toys. I think most metal fans hear lyrical gruesomeness as something between fantasy and a cause for more empathy than anything else…

AFAIK church burning is typically more black metal than deathmetal, which as a genre has somewhat of an ideological bent. See: the whole recent fiasco surrounding the band Deafheaven
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