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Re: Boeing 737 Max pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw

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Post by 1stcity3rdcoast »

tuna-piano wrote: post #35
jcroll wrote: post #2

> The News found at least five complaints about the Boeing model in a federal database where pilots can voluntarily report about aviation incidents without fear of repercussions. Is this a lot?

There have been 865 total 737 reports in the ASRS database since 1/1/2018 (linked the results of my search in another comment in this thread). There doesn't appear to be a 737-MAX filter (groups all 737-800s and 737-900s together it seems), so it's tough to say. In addition, it seems like some pilots were motivated to submit reports on their MAX experiences due to the Lion Air incident.

We’d need the number of reports for other plane models to know if that’s a lot or a little or the norm. Can you compare?

Re: Boeing 737 Max pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw

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Post by therealmarv »

codedokode wrote: post #31
cco wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The compelling business case is avoiding the burden of complying with GDPR regulations. At a minimum someone has to answer those requests for info and/or deletion, if Europe represents a small percentage of your traffic it might not be worth bothering with.

Or they might just not collect any data from EU users.

ha, best comment here so far. Interesting approach! :D

Re: Boeing 737 Max pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw

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Post by 1stcity3rdcoast »

stefan_ wrote: post #38
k_sh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airplane safety should be more strict than car safety, because the damage an airplane crash causes is a handful of orders of magnitude higher than a car accident...

Yet deaths in the latter vastly outpace adverse events in the former. What is the criteria by which public safety should operate? Is it biggest explosion?

Opportunity cost of safety improvements to vehicles. Airliners cost like $100 million each, so they can afford to perfect safety. You can’t get airliner-level safety in a vehicle that costs less than $50,000.

Re: Boeing 737 Max pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw

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Post by int_19h »

Someone1234 wrote: post #25

This article is less compelling than the title would suggest. After the Lion Air crash the FAA released a Emergency Airworthiness Directive, these five comments are in response to that directive. That differentiates it from pilots that had a negative run-in with MCAS or other defects in the 737 Max 8 (which would be significant news). This article might inform you pilots are unhappy, but that fact has been widely cir…

The comments seem to be recounting personal experiences of those pilots though, not their reactions to the initial disclosure.

Re: Boeing 737 Max pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw

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Post by dpwm »

tuna-piano wrote: post #30

Some context: 1. There have been 865 737 related ASRS reports since 1/1/2018 2. I don't know how to quickly separate out 737-MAX reports from the non 737-MAX reports, as the ASRS database doesn't include 737-MAX as an airplane type! From scanning, I can say that there are more than five MAX related reports, though. [1] All 865 737 reports since 1/1/2018 CSV - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=5466867979406…

regex? I just grepped "B737 max" and found 11 entries.

"737.{0,20}max" (case insensitive) yields 20. [0]

[0] CSV output: https://pastebin.com/87N023cx

Re: Boeing 737 Max pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw

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Post by gravy »

stefan_ wrote: post #38
k_sh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airplane safety should be more strict than car safety, because the damage an airplane crash causes is a handful of orders of magnitude higher than a car accident...

Yet deaths in the latter vastly outpace adverse events in the former. What is the criteria by which public safety should operate? Is it biggest explosion?

Far more cars (than planes), far more drivers (than pilots), far less rules for permission (than a driver's license). Kind of an unfair comparison here.

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Post by tuna-piano »

tuna-piano wrote: post #30

Some context: 1. There have been 865 737 related ASRS reports since 1/1/2018 2. I don't know how to quickly separate out 737-MAX reports from the non 737-MAX reports, as the ASRS database doesn't include 737-MAX as an airplane type! From scanning, I can say that there are more than five MAX related reports, though. [1] All 865 737 reports since 1/1/2018 CSV - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=5466867979406…

Some other MAX reports:

1583028: B737 MAX-8 Captain reported the engine fuel burn was higher than expected. Maintenance confirms that several 737-MAXs are burning fuel faster than expected.

1593699: ATIS sheet fell through the slot forward of the center pedestal and the blank off plate. We had Maintenance come out to remove it. We discovered 20 other ATIS sheets mixed into the wiring. The aircraft is only six months old. Severe potential fire hazard!

1538699: B737 MAX pilots reported flying through the final approach course and descending below published altitudes due to confusion with the new style instrument displays.

Re: Boeing 737 Max pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw

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Post by jrockway »

tuna-piano wrote: post #47
tuna-piano wrote: post #30

Some context: 1. There have been 865 737 related ASRS reports since 1/1/2018 2. I don't know how to quickly separate out 737-MAX reports from the non 737-MAX reports, as the ASRS database doesn't include 737-MAX as an airplane type! From scanning, I can say that there are more than five MAX related reports, though. [1] All 865 737 reports since 1/1/2018 CSV - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=5466867979406…

Some other MAX reports: 1583028: B737 MAX-8 Captain reported the engine fuel burn was higher than expected. Maintenance confirms that several 737-MAXs are burning fuel faster than expected. 1593699: ATIS sheet fell through the slot forward of the center pedestal and the blank off plate. We had Maintenance come out to remove it. We discovered 20 other ATIS sheets mixed into the wiring. The aircraft is only six months…

1593699 is amazing.
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