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FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the university should advertise the cost of admission and make it fair for everyone.

Not sure that would help. New tuiton - $2M and 99% of students get grants of $1.930M

The difference is that today colleges lie about having "need-blind" admissions. Among the Ivies only Brown openly admits that you can buy your way in.

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Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

Donating a building is a payment to the university. The university then gets to decide to admit your child in return. It may not be meritocratic, but it's not corrupt (except perhaps insofar as by pretending the exchange is a donation, the university and donor manage to cheat the taxman). The donor is simply paying the university to provide a service that they have every right to offer for money. It also benefits other students, which is why the universities take the deals in the first place.

In this case, we're talking about bribery of specific employees to act against the interests of their employer. That's simply corruption.

They might be equally non-meritocratic, but they're definitely not equally dishonest or equally socially harmful.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

It’s different in the scale of the donation. 2 Million dollar donation materially improves things for other students and is tax deductible. $15,000 bribe doesn’t do much for other students except rob them of a spot.

Also, a bribe goes into one person's pocket.

Buying a basketball team and hiring a coach in order to win is legal. Paying one player to lose a game is not legal.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

According to the documents https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5766243-College-Admi... (page 78), giving huge donations are "institutional advancement", it costs 10 times as much, is not a guarantee, and will get second looks.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Apparently, these parents were insufficiently wealthy to deflect prosecution.

"The Justice Department on Tuesday charged more than 30 wealthy people — including two television stars — with being part of a long-running scheme to bribe and cheat to get their kids into big-name colleges and universities."

I think OP means that weren't wealthy enough to make a large public donation through the appropriate channels and instead resorted to bribery.

Their legal bills could easily surpass the amount of money exchanged to get their kids into these schools.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s different in the scale of the donation. 2 Million dollar donation materially improves things for other students and is tax deductible. $15,000 bribe doesn’t do much for other students except rob them of a spot.

Part of the condition for a donation to be tax-deductible is that you claim you didn't get anything in return for your donation. Donating for improvement that affects others is one thing, but donating for a quid pro quo might affect this.

Why can't a poor kid from Oakland, or wherever, watch the classes online and self-study, and pay a nominal fee to exam?

In other words, is the concept of creating barriers to entry, limiting competition, not unreasonable? In any market, economists say that is anticompetitive, and should even be illegal.

Are people paying for education? Or for epaulets?

So let's talk about this "materially improving things for other students" in an honest context of what this is.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

Forging test scores and athletic records seems materially different from a large public donation to the school.
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