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Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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Really miss picasa. I know the world is moving away from tagging your photos with descriptive words, but I still do it. As with any Picasa related subject: Does anyone have a viable alternative desktop software that allows tagging of photos, some mild editing and allowing photos to be kept in folders that are the albums.

Picasa's flow is still the best quick-edit system I've used. I am comfortable with Lightroom & Photoshop, and they're great tools. But Picasa did a stellar job of balancing simple/lightweight/fast/useful in a manner I haven't seen replicated anywhere else.

It probably has only gotten more responsive by virtue of being made to run fast on hardware from the early 2000s

Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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Google may not be much worse than other FANGs, but the way it pretends to be friendly to open source and free culture communities and co-opts them is nasty. "Despite illusions in 2008–2009 that it was a fair player, Google is now trashing free culture by making all the Picasa Web images in Creative Commons vanish from the web. In fact, users and albums are often forced to "migrate" to Google Plus, without telling the…

> pretends to be friendly to open source

I quite like go and Kubernetes.

Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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Picasa's flow is still the best quick-edit system I've used. I am comfortable with Lightroom & Photoshop, and they're great tools. But Picasa did a stellar job of balancing simple/lightweight/fast/useful in a manner I haven't seen replicated anywhere else.

It probably has only gotten more responsive by virtue of being made to run fast on hardware from the early 2000s

You're not wrong. I'll be genuinely sad when Windows eventually drops whatever API support allows it to keep running without emulation.

Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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It's far easier, more scalable, and more secure now than it's ever been, and people quite simply don't want it. I wish it weren't so, but people prefer staying inside walled gardens to homesteading.

They do, but I think there's some potential demand for it. For instance, I want to be able to host my own files without having to make some sort of deal with my ISP. Although I've never had a problem serving requests directly from my computer, it's usually against the rules of ISPs. With a regular internet connection, I should be able to more easily store files on my own hardware and be able to share them with people…

I want something like that, but if I'm asked to shell out $50 for a box that does what I can do on Imgur/Instagram/Photos for free, I'm going to turn my nose on it.

With 99% of the images I want to share on the web - I don't really care if they aren't going to be around in five months time.

Also, what if the vendor of the box (That handles the integrations with third-party hosts) goes out of business? Am I going to now have to figure out how to hack my hardware to be allowed to talk to is?

This is an inescapable rabbit hole of third-party dependencies.

Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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Wave could have been UUUGE, though.

I'm not sure. Wave has been out (and discontinued) for a LONG time. It was even transfered to Apache under an open source license. And it's never taken off. No one has ever picked it up. No one has seriously tried to replicate it. If there was a business there, if there was a use case there, someone (anyone) had plenty of opportunity to take it and run. The fact that not only the idea but also the implementation and…

Wave needs a critical mass of users to be useful so that created difficulty with no existing (public) service after Google shut their instance down.

Google completely botched the roll-out. Wave is essentially useless without others to use it with (no value above Google Docs to use it solo, or standard email/IM to chat with others). I had 10 invites, I sent most of them out. Only two people of the 7 or 8 I invited received their invites. It was completely useless to me because one of the two was someone who just wanted an invite (but I didn't interact with much), and the other was an fellow tabletop gamer and the rest of our group couldn't get in.

When Google finally opened it (looked up dates, I remembered it was short but didn't recall it being this short) to the general public it was May 2010. They announced that they were going to stop developing it (switch to sustainment with plans to shut it down) in August 2010. They gave the service 3 months, and said it didn't have sufficient interest.

No shit, it was three-damned-months!

As best I can tell, someone at Google had intended to shut it down from the start. The fact that their attempt to launch it failed doesn't mean that the system (or its concept) had no potential. But killing it did kill the potential, because you needed that critical mass to gain any value from it.

It had federation which would've been useful, but with no public instance there was little reason for a small group to run their own instance. There was no one to talk to.

Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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post #34
post #10

Really miss picasa. I know the world is moving away from tagging your photos with descriptive words, but I still do it. As with any Picasa related subject: Does anyone have a viable alternative desktop software that allows tagging of photos, some mild editing and allowing photos to be kept in folders that are the albums.

Why isn’t there a move TO tagging photos with text? That rocks! This is all so depressing. Picasa desktop was great. They killed it. Picasa Web albums were great. They killed it. Why are they making everything worse?

To be fair, I've had surprisingly good luck at searching for photos in Google Photos by text. The AI there seems pretty solid.

Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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post #8

It's interesting that Amazon's approach of building products and killing them off if they don't improve the bottom line earns praise, while Google's similar one endlessly pisses people off.

It's probably because by and large Amazon kills physical products and Google kills services. If someone buys a Fire Phone and it gets discontinued - well, products getting discontinued is part of life and it doesn't (usually) affect the usage of the one you have. If Google builds a web service, then that service has the chance to grow to 50m / 100m users before deciding that it is not worth supporting. Law of large n…

Amazon ended music uploads [0] But - yea, no HN outrage...

[0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=...

Re: Less than a month to go before Google breaks links to Google+ Picasa albums

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Google may not be much worse than other FANGs, but the way it pretends to be friendly to open source and free culture communities and co-opts them is nasty. "Despite illusions in 2008–2009 that it was a fair player, Google is now trashing free culture by making all the Picasa Web images in Creative Commons vanish from the web. In fact, users and albums are often forced to "migrate" to Google Plus, without telling the…

If you care about free culture, don't put it up on a private (company) service. Most things on the web have not guarantee of longevity. The only thing open source about Google is some of the software licenses they use.
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