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Post by Spooky23 »

huffmsa wrote: post #29
pjc50 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the standard wartime playbook for restricting freedom. It's completely incompatible with functioning democracy.

The United States in still engaged in 2 declared wars. One of which has it's theater defined as "wherever al-qeada and it's associates are" (paraphrase). So what's wrong with the wartime playbook? We're at war.

This “war” has been going on for nearly two decades.

There’s no credible linkage to even the ridiculously vague definition of the “war” and migrants fleeing repressive regimes in Central America.

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Post by Inhalt »

huffmsa wrote: post #29
pjc50 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the standard wartime playbook for restricting freedom. It's completely incompatible with functioning democracy.

The United States in still engaged in 2 declared wars. One of which has it's theater defined as "wherever al-qeada and it's associates are" (paraphrase). So what's wrong with the wartime playbook? We're at war.

And Russia annexed Crimea as a war action that led to arrests, incarcerations and murder of journalists in the opposition. Being at war does not mean you can start controlling your own population and restrict the freedom of the press. Free journalism is one of the pillars of a democratic society. Aren't most of USA wars waged in the name of democracy? Gathering information like what car a journalist drives and the mothers name IMHO cannot be named as a "wartime playbook" scenario, this is a violation of privacy rights. Don't we have Presumption of Innocence as one of the basis of the law?

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Post by pjc50 »

linkmotif wrote: post #32
pjc50 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably only true in Germany. > Is this legal in the US or is the current US administration in hot water? Keeping immigrants in indefinite detention probably isn't legal in the US, doesn't mean it's not going to continue. > current US administration in hot water? The FBI is working their way through jailing senior members of the Trump campaign.

Really? Name a single member of the trump administration who is in jail, muchless senior. Why make stuff up?

I said "campaign" for a reason.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47263226 : former election campaign chief Paul Manafort is the big one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46347887 George Papadopoulos received a short prison sentence for lying to the FBI.

The following associates are convicted but not yet sentenced, presumably while they cooperate with investigators:

Rick Gates has pled guilty to conspiracy against the United States (!)

Michael Cohen has been allowed medical leave before serving his sentence: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/nyregion/michael-cohen-pr...

Michael Flynn (who was actually, briefly, a member of the Trump administration) has pled guilty to lying to the FBI.

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Post by pjc50 »

rjf72 wrote: post #38
wsy wrote: post #30

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Please apply this to the case at hand. The case at hand is not about supporting or opposing the caravan, or its investigation. It is about how journalists reporting on it are marked for special treatment at the US border. I fail to see any complex pro/con political issue there. Free press is a constitutional right for a reason.

The first critical point is to classify the caravan. This is something you have to step outside of politics for, for a minute. This caravan had already illegally broken past the border between Guatemala and Mexico. [1] There's every reason to believe they planned to attempt similar behavior at the US border. This is the definition of criminal conspiracy. In this case it would likely have also been a politically desta…

The classification of the caravan is itself politics. The classification of refugees as criminals is extremely political.

As is the question of why they're fleeing Honduras in the first place. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/07/crisis-of-hond...

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Post by Spooky23 »

mc32 wrote: post #21
pimmen wrote: post #10

As a European, this is something that could very well make my government resign because it would be illegal. Like, crazy illegal. Is this legal in the US or is the current US administration in hot water?

Did the Snowden revelations end up weakening any government despite the violations against citizens? Or fast and furious? Iran-Contra? Don’t kid yourself.

Absolutely. All of those things had significant policy impacts.

It’s no coincidence that massive Russian influence campaigns that put a buffoon in the White House followed their usurpation of Snowden and Wikileaks.

Fast and furious helped cement the right wing distrust of government and gin up the crazy gun people.

Iran-Contra undermined the global strategy for dealing with terrorist incidents by refusing to negotiate. It also highlighted the continued contempt for Latin America that facilitates a lot of anti-US sentiment in the region.

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Post by elizabeth_olu »

Spooky23 wrote: post #41
huffmsa wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States in still engaged in 2 declared wars. One of which has it's theater defined as "wherever al-qeada and it's associates are" (paraphrase). So what's wrong with the wartime playbook? We're at war.

This “war” has been going on for nearly two decades. There’s no credible linkage to even the ridiculously vague definition of the “war” and migrants fleeing repressive regimes in Central America.

https://www.elizabethblog.com.ng/2019/03/taylor-swift-is-in-...

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Post by raxxorrax »

pjc50 wrote: post #24
pimmen wrote: post #10

As a European, this is something that could very well make my government resign because it would be illegal. Like, crazy illegal. Is this legal in the US or is the current US administration in hot water?

This is probably only true in Germany. > Is this legal in the US or is the current US administration in hot water? Keeping immigrants in indefinite detention probably isn't legal in the US, doesn't mean it's not going to continue. > current US administration in hot water? The FBI is working their way through jailing senior members of the Trump campaign.

> This is probably only true in Germany.

Nope. They tried, got caught and nothing happened.

I don't know where people get the idea that Germany has no corruption issues. It does. It also regularly blocks incentives that try to get a hold of said corruption.

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Post by huffmsa »

Spooky23 wrote: post #41
huffmsa wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States in still engaged in 2 declared wars. One of which has it's theater defined as "wherever al-qeada and it's associates are" (paraphrase). So what's wrong with the wartime playbook? We're at war.

This “war” has been going on for nearly two decades. There’s no credible linkage to even the ridiculously vague definition of the “war” and migrants fleeing repressive regimes in Central America.

Except the wide open southern border is an easy point of insertion for Daesh and AQ operatives.

Therefore, it can be claimed as warzone under the AUMF.

Next question.

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