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Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by notacoward » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:53 PM UTC

geofft wrote: post #38

notacoward wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're answering a different question than was asked. When did it become acceptable to politely suggest a different personal choice? Since always, as you say. When did it become acceptable to disrespect them for a personal choice? Pretty recently, and should have been never. That includes the personal choice to rationalize that kind of condescending priggishness online. What kind of person gets their jollies…

The article doesn't have enough detail to conclude whether "admonished" meant politely or with disrespect.

Exactly. The article didn't mention disrespect, but BucketSort did. Two different questions. When peteretep replied to one with an answer only applicable to the other, it seemed worth pointing out.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by ohithereyou » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:53 PM UTC

Does anybody else feel that ads like this in the NYT should clearly be marked as such?

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by peteretep » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:54 PM UTC

notacoward wrote: post #37

peteretep wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? When people started having personal choices that affected the people around them. So: since always.

I think you're answering a different question than was asked. When did it become acceptable to politely suggest a different personal choice? Since always, as you say. When did it become acceptable to disrespect them for a personal choice? Pretty recently, and should have been never. That includes the personal choice to rationalize that kind of condescending priggishness online. What kind of person gets their jollies…

Not all personal choices warrant civility, and it’s not always possible for someone negatively affected by other people’s personal choices to be civil.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by detaro » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:56 PM UTC

ohithereyou wrote: post #42

Does anybody else feel that ads like this in the NYT should clearly be marked as such?

What is it advertising?

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by BucketSort » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:56 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #26

BucketSort wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? Although I'm 29, I still remember a time where there was at least the pretense of civility. Civility was the oil that kept this machine running smoothly, now it's sputtering left and right. We don't even use formal names like Mr./Ms. as much as we once did, if at all. I felt that was an important part of creating…

> When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? That time is lost in the mists of history, though which choices this is acceptable for have been different in different times and places.

Yeah, I guess I should have said "mainstream personal choices." If one does something deviant, politeness has typically always gone out the window. These days people pick fights just so they can put themselves in some virtuous light. It's really annoying.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by bsenftner » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

dalbasal wrote: post #33

What a long winded article. I don't really understand the fascination/surprise at wework and similar. It's just office space, packaged in a way that suits a few underserved markets. Flexibility is valuable, and was previously underavailable. It also turned out that a lot of the "work-from-home" people would like office space, if it's nice and they can afford it. What is so surprising or notable here? A slightly quirk…

I ran a competing CoWorking space in Los Angeles. WeWork is the opposite of the no-frills aesthetic: they have lots of perks, fun perks, they are not cheap, and having any one perk is conspicuous. WeWork is how people not in larger youth communities meet to get laid. That is it. WeWork is a youth community of people spending mom & dad money, conspicuously in a play-like-work space, not really working, and being super irritating to those trying to work.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by RodericDay » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

dsr_ wrote: post #29

BucketSort wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? Although I'm 29, I still remember a time where there was at least the pretense of civility. Civility was the oil that kept this machine running smoothly, now it's sputtering left and right. We don't even use formal names like Mr./Ms. as much as we once did, if at all. I felt that was an important part of creating…

People used to be polite to each other as long as they were the right people, but being polite to the wrong people became a sin called "political correctness".

Being not racist? Political correctness.

Your face melting off when someone doesn't stand for the anthem? ?????????

Saying some black guy attacked by a cop deserved it for being impolite to the pig? ?????????????????

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by ohithereyou » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

detaro wrote: post #44

ohithereyou wrote: post #42

Does anybody else feel that ads like this in the NYT should clearly be marked as such?

What is it advertising?

The article is one giant ad for WeWork.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by brazzledazzle » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 2:01 PM UTC

BucketSort wrote: post #39

peterwwillis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the 1960s, if you were black and seated at a lunch counter, a white person would spit in your face. Which was considered perfectly civil for a lot of white people. In some cultures, at various times (including today), the civil thing to do is to berate and even beat a woman if she appears in public without covering her hair or face. To the guy in the story, telling someone to not use the plastic water bottle…

Those were not civil actions for civilly minded people. Of course, people loathe each other behind closed doors and the less respectable people bring it out in public. Let me ask you this, would such an interaction as described in the OP comment happen in Japan? They seem to understand the importance of respect.

Some of that’s politeness, face and collective harmony though. You can be disrespected politely.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by BucketSort » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 2:04 PM UTC

brazzledazzle wrote: post #49

BucketSort wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those were not civil actions for civilly minded people. Of course, people loathe each other behind closed doors and the less respectable people bring it out in public. Let me ask you this, would such an interaction as described in the OP comment happen in Japan? They seem to understand the importance of respect.

Some of that’s politeness, face and collective harmony though. You can be disrespected politely.

The idea is that there's a time and a place. If you are interviewing someone, you are there for an interview. It isn't a personal interaction. You are there to do a job. Why transform it from a formal engagement to a personal matter? We should respect the civil barrier.