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How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

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Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

pretty fast and loose with the numbers there, don't you think? 6k rent/mortgage + 3k living expenses sounds flat out glamorous.

If you have a family it’s about right if not conservative.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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I recently finished reading the book Never Split the Difference and I would highly recommend it. It's a slightly different take on the traditional negotiation tropes we've all heard. I've managed to employ many of the techniques in my day to day as a PM with success, but his discussions on salary negotiation resonated with me. I'm sure you can find some notes on the book to derive 50% of the value, but the author's s…

TLDR please?

I took some notes on the book, https://mdc.life/books/never-split-the-difference, check out the "Ackerman model" section.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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Well, google is different right? They hire the cream of the crop. They don't only hire for experience. They also hire for innate, inborn intelligence. I might get in, but I have to work hard to pass that interview. I'm talking about 200k on average.

Idk where you got the idea that being a Google engineer is innate haha, man the marketing and hype around the role is incredible. The “secret” is Google tries to hire smart hardworking people, not divinely ordained superhumans. My advice would be to study hard for the interview and let them figure out whether or not you pass the bar. At the very least it will be good practice for othe interviews and you might be acce…

The modern tech interview selects for luck and quick response under pressure as major decision factors that project the appearance of innate intelligence.

"The only winning move is not to play."

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

Those numbers are really high. Keep in mind the person who wrote this article mentioned 2 years of experience so they are probably ~25 years old. They probably spend half that much on rent/living expenses, like 10% of that much on insurance and probably do not take $8k vacations. They should be able to save at least ~60k per year.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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Is there a way to take a poll how many people are actually getting 200k+ with just 2 years of experience? I truly find this unbelievable.

I'm one of those people at least. Coming up on 2 years, and last year and this year both, I'll see >200k in total compensation. Many of my co-workers are in the same boat.

Make sure you save as much as you can bud. Wish I had that opportunity so young in career - it will go a looong way for you later in life.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

That's not how the regressive tax system works. Your effeective tax rate is around 38%

A nice 2 bed 2 bath is 4k, not 6k

I don't even know how you would spend 3k a month in living expenses.

All of those numbers are seem pretty off.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

That's not how tax brackets work!

I thought their numbers would be really bad because of that but it was actually pretty close. Effective tax rate in SF would be 38% and if you are maxing your 401k you are left with 175k net.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

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Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

Maybe that total would put someone in the 42% tax bracket (if you include city/state taxes, and even then I’m not sure), but that doesn’t mean someone would only keep 58% of their income, due to how a marginal tax system works, and that’s also not counting any itemized deductions and exemptions.

Any decent accountant should be able to save at least $10-20k more of that fast and loose tax total.

Also— if you’re paying $6k a month in rent, and you can afford the down payment, why not just buy a home at that point? If you want to relocate you can sell it and you’d get a decent mortgage interest deduction that would affect the bottom line.

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