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Can China Turn the Middle of Nowhere into the Center of the World Economy?

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Post by spongepoc »

porpoisely wrote: post #20

This article exemplifies everything wrong with the nytimes and journalism today. 1. It's asking me a question. Don't ask me a question. 2. It doesn't add anything new or informative. Pretty much a rehash of everything that's been stated repeatedly for the past 8 years. 3. Boring standard propaganda. It's interesting how the BRI is covered by pro-china, anti-china and "neutral" ( if possible ) propaganda organizations…

This comment exemplifies everything wrong with Hacker News today.

1. It's smug and self-indulgent

2. It doesn't add anything new or informative

3. Boring standard whining

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Post by snambi »

porpoisely wrote: post #20

This article exemplifies everything wrong with the nytimes and journalism today. 1. It's asking me a question. Don't ask me a question. 2. It doesn't add anything new or informative. Pretty much a rehash of everything that's been stated repeatedly for the past 8 years. 3. Boring standard propaganda. It's interesting how the BRI is covered by pro-china, anti-china and "neutral" ( if possible ) propaganda organizations…

The South Indian kingdoms were naval powers before British and Portuguese. There was hardly any trade done from India via land. It was mostly via sea.

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Post by snambi »

spongepoc wrote: post #41
porpoisely wrote: post #20

This article exemplifies everything wrong with the nytimes and journalism today. 1. It's asking me a question. Don't ask me a question. 2. It doesn't add anything new or informative. Pretty much a rehash of everything that's been stated repeatedly for the past 8 years. 3. Boring standard propaganda. It's interesting how the BRI is covered by pro-china, anti-china and "neutral" ( if possible ) propaganda organizations…

This comment exemplifies everything wrong with Hacker News today. 1. It's smug and self-indulgent 2. It doesn't add anything new or informative 3. Boring standard whining

The author is on point though. NyTimes feels dated and confused in the way it is acquiring its news.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

ajmurmann wrote: post #15

This reminds me of Zbigniew Brzezinski's The Grant Chessboard. It describes how the US secured its empire. China is not only building for economic growth but also building up valuable relationships and influence. Also keep in mind that one of Rome's greatest military innovations might have been its roads. Meanwhile the US is seems to be played by everyone from the outside and tearing itself apart from the inside. It…

>Meanwhile the US is seems to be played by everyone from the outside and tearing itself apart from the inside. It seems like we aren't only losing the fight for global hegemony but barely actively taking part.

The entire point of this story and many like it is to make people ignore anything concrete and think US dominance is in question. They don't accurately report the worldwide situation, and they wouldn't even begin to question whether continuing the US form of neocolonialism is a good idea. They just create small pockets of fear that someday some other country may treat the US like the US has treated them.

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Post by turtlecloud »

whatshisface wrote: post #12
mac01021 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why _do_ people go there, and why don't you think Chinese developers can replicate that?

Dubai is fueled by oil money, something that China doesn't have a lot of (relative to their population size). You can explain a lot by looking at the oil money to population ratio of various polities. The ebb and flow of the balance sheets of Texas, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Venezuela and Norway all have a lot to do with the price of oil and their local production. In many places around the world, successful socialism mea…

Since when was Texas socialist?

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Post by whatshisface »

turtlecloud wrote: post #46
whatshisface wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dubai is fueled by oil money, something that China doesn't have a lot of (relative to their population size). You can explain a lot by looking at the oil money to population ratio of various polities. The ebb and flow of the balance sheets of Texas, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Venezuela and Norway all have a lot to do with the price of oil and their local production. In many places around the world, successful socialism mea…

Since when was Texas socialist?

The Texas government uses their mineral rights to fund roads and schools that they otherwise wouldn't be able to pay for with their 0% state income tax. Although Texas is not very socialist, maybe 0.1%, it would have to be even less socialist if you took away the minerals without allowing the tax rate to go up.

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Post by nostrademons »

magduf wrote: post #38
mc32 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, before it went downhill, US advisors told the S. Viet gov that the one thing they had to do to stave off revolution was land redistribution, in the least in the Mekong Delta, (I believe land redistribution was done to some extent in SK), but the S Vietnamese refused, and so the NVA had an “in”.

Sounds like one of those scenarios where the side we picked to support was itself corrupt, so the general population saw no good reason to support our side over the opposing side.

This scenario seems distressingly common in post-WW2 U.S. foreign policy.

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Post by magduf »

mc32 wrote: post #39
magduf wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like one of those scenarios where the side we picked to support was itself corrupt, so the general population saw no good reason to support our side over the opposing side.

Yes, but it’s not so much the side we “picked” but the team that was given to us. Just as the Soviets often times had no choice but to work with truly bad people.

It seems like, in that case, you should just opt out. We didn't have to get involved in that war.

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Post by ssnistfajen »

siffland wrote: post #13
melling wrote: post #6

China appears to be ensuring that their economy continues to grow rapidly with the Belt and Road initiative. By some measures they have already passed the United States. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-10-18/who-ha... At some point soon, shouldn't the ability to grow the economy 6-10% a year become impossible?

I have a feeling if some production switches to India it might put a damper on Chinas plans. That would slow their growth a lot. I am not going to argue if the Trump tariffs on China are good or bad. But they might force some companies to explore alternative manufactuing facilities with countries friendlier to the US. Apple looking at india as a possible move and some other large companies i have seen articles that a…

That's why Made in China 2025 exists. China is trying to transition its manufacturing sector to focus on high tech, high valuef products. Shoddy growth strategies (e.g. IP theft and forced technology transfers) aside, it's a sound plan to avoid falling into the middle income trap.
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