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Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

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Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

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Funny, to me this sounds like a hash collision. (For a map key, not the cryptographic kind.) Knowing only that Spotify is a large distributed system, and seeing that the mystery tracks are short in title and length, as well as plentiful, it feels like a these tracks are ending up as collisions in a distributed hash table. From there it'd be a matter of bubbling up top due to sorting order properties.

Are you suggesting that spotify is somewherre using a hash-table without a collision resolution method (like a linked list). Is that something that is done in some industries? Hash collisions to me has always been a performance problem not a correctness one.

Goodness me, no.

They could be fetching all values for a given key (for performance reasons, since the seek for a read is surprisingly expensive). Depending on how they then use that data, these short and plentiful tracks can end up being included instead of dropped.

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#43

This reminds me of a brief period (1 to 2 months) that I went through with Spotify where I'd always open my Spotify to find it playing some random music that I'd never heard of before. Usually some generic "Ibiza mix" stuff or something. Yet, I tried everything to stop it, assuming I had my account compromised: I logged out all devices, changed my password, but nothing changed until one day it randomly stopped. They…

It didn't show eg "now playing on Nexus" (or something like that)?

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#44
post #35

Off topic but somewhat related - my corporate overlords don't let us install anything on our workstations and the browsers we use are old and not supported by play.spotify.com. Any bright ideas about how I can use spotify here?

On your account on your phone, make a playlist and download it (sth like "for offline use"), then go offline at work. Limits what you can listen to spontaneously, but you can simply take one of the "radios", copy to playlist, make offline at home so you download over wifi, then remove and repeat for each day. Nature finds a way.

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#45
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, concerning... I mean, it's Spotify, not your email account.

It is still their data.

Perhaps disorienting is a better word. It's really strange to see someone else play music on your account.

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#46
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It's quite clear to me that this s a fraud to make money. Those tracks are produced by algorithms and played via access tokens gathered from sites like the playlist converters floating around. Be wary of your account data and check the access of 3rd party apps regularly. https://support.spotify.com/uk/account_payment_help/privacy/... for information how to do that for Spotify.

I wonder if those tracks have actually been played or if someone just found a way to game the play counters. Lesson for anyone who ponders the idea of open monetization models (the every-popular vision of giving X per month and having it automatically split up and distributed to creators proportionally to actual consumption): there will be bad actors trying to cheat. PS: why is your username so perfectly on topic?

Haha, yeah, it really is! ;)

The other one is a good question as well. Spotify pays out when a song has been listened to for at least 30 seconds. This has been abused in the past as well: https://qz.com/1212330/a-bulgarian-scheme-scammed-spotify-fo...

The article says it is not clear if the fraudsters abused existing user accounts or set up a farm. But apparently, the songs have been played. They all were exactly 30 seconds long - this is the minimum play time for a song to qualify for a payout.

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#47

This is why I refuse to play the Discover Weekly playlist. I strongly believe that Spotify is getting money out of made up artists, with songs put up by algorithms in some way, and that's the best way to get them to you. Regarding the 'hacking', it never happened to me, but it's easy to see how troublesome that may be. But that's what we get for trusting an application that promises to get us free music forever. It h…

> This is why I refuse to play the Discover Weekly playlist. I strongly believe that Spotify is getting money out of made up artists, with songs put up by algorithms in some way, and that's the best way to get them to you.

Flesh this out for me, because it's hilarious. How are Spotify making money from that, exactly? I listen to Discover Weekly most weeks, and if Spotify is generating them, then:

A) They're creating some amazing music, so more power to them

B) They're putting a hell of a lot of work into creating back stories for these bands

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#48

This is why I refuse to play the Discover Weekly playlist. I strongly believe that Spotify is getting money out of made up artists, with songs put up by algorithms in some way, and that's the best way to get them to you. Regarding the 'hacking', it never happened to me, but it's easy to see how troublesome that may be. But that's what we get for trusting an application that promises to get us free music forever. It h…

I wouldn't be afraid of the Discover Weekly playlist. I think it's Spotify's best feature. For me, it surfaces great songs & artists I hadn't heard before, and sometimes it's almost spookily accurate. For Discover Weekly to work though, it helps to feed it good data. It's based on a PageRank-like system, but instead of webpages it's based on user playlists [1]. If you create some of your own playlists, it will go and…

You should share that goth/industrial list too, I love that stuff.

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#49

Very interesting! I had something that sounds similar to this a couple of years ago. My Spotify had a new music "Device" listed with a weird name. Frequently the device would be selected and a song I'd never heard of would start playing, with no sound as it went to the rogue music device. On my Spotify account I could see a new linked application that I hadn't ever setup. I deleted it, kicked out any logins that Spot…

This also happened to me! I think I reported the issue to an engineer at Soptify but I never heard back. If an engineer at Spotify wants to chat about it, my email is my username @gmail.com.

Re: Mystery tracks being 'forced' on your Spotify

#50

racking up thousands of listens and (perhaps) hundreds of pounds I thought artists earn something like $5 per 1000 plays these days?

According to an expert in the article, you can expect almost double that. "[...] one expert, Mark Mulligan of Midia Research, told BBC Trending radio that Bergenulo Five could have made about $500 to $600 (about £380 to £460) from 60,000 streams"

I love Spotify with two exceptions:

1. They really need to pay their artists more

2. They have no interest in their users organizing/tagging music, probably because they want more control over what plays next via algorithms/playlists

Both of these have now culminated in a malicious actor completely ruining the victim's user experience to make a couple hundred bucks.

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