41–50 of 112 posts
Shouldn’t local law enforcement do a little more triage before sending in paramilitaristic swat teams? How many hostage situations actually happen in middle class boring suburbs such that a single unverified call turns into a full blown swat response?
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely the robust solution is for police/swat teams to treat unverified threats differently? Any real world system needs to be able to handle faulty inputs. If this particular system wasn't so terrible at that, bad actors would have no reason to make the false reports in the first place.
What happens when an unverified threat isn't considered quick enough, and the hostages are killed while the police are standing around outside taking a wait and see approach?
When has this ever happened outside of movies?
The main perpetrator whom gave up his friends Tyler Rai Barriss actually did cause the death of someone in Kansas by "Swatting" them. He then was completely unapologetic. These new indictments are after he accepted a plea deal for 20-25 years in federal prison. Here is his twitter: https://twitter.com/goredtutor36?lang=en . He boasted about swatting people and somehow got internet access in prison and posted his late…
"Officers gave [the victim] several verbal commands to put his hands up and walk towards them. The male complied for a very short time and then put his hands back down to his waist. The officers continued to give him verbal commands to put his hands up, and he lowered them again." [1]
I'm not well informed on the subject, but wouldn't equipping tactical teams with non-lethal weapons have prevented tragedies like this? The moment a team feels uneasy, they should feel free to stun the suspect. I know electroshock weapons have their own risks, but surely they aren't greater than firing a dude acting suspiciously with a live round from a Colt AR-15?
1. https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192244734.htm...
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> should be charged with something along the lines of conspiracy to commit murder How do you prove the intent was to murder rather than to harass? You think you’re being clever by charging with something more serious, then the charge fails because really you just wanted what they really did to have a steeper punishment. > I dont answer a blocked number, anyway They don’t call you - it doesn’t matter what you’d do - t…
> How do you the intent was to murder rather than to harass? Are you serious? If I want to harass someone I'll ring the doorbell and run, order 40 pizzas, throw toilet paper all over their house, etc. Police armed to the teeth is pretty obvious this isn't about harassment. If it is, you need help. https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/29/16830626/call-of-duty-sw...
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention anything about police being held accountable when responding with unreasonable force to anonymous tips. If we are going to start talking about fixing this issue, I'm not sure getting rid of blocked numbers is going to materially impact these outcomes. Likewise, what is your recommendation on eliminating the threat of burner phones?
>I'm a little surprised you didn't mention anything about police being held accountable when responding with unreasonable force to anonymous tips I think the logic behind this is that if the tip was correct then trying to talk it out/etc could end much worse for everyone involved. You have to remember that, to the best of the officer's knowledge, there is a live hostage in a building somewhere that needs to be saved…
I can't even conceive of the same thing happening in the military (been there, done that). "We got a call the enemy is in that build." "suit up, we'll go in." "how about we watch the building for a minute?" "Naw..."
The main perpetrator whom gave up his friends Tyler Rai Barriss actually did cause the death of someone in Kansas by "Swatting" them. He then was completely unapologetic. These new indictments are after he accepted a plea deal for 20-25 years in federal prison. Here is his twitter: https://twitter.com/goredtutor36?lang=en . He boasted about swatting people and somehow got internet access in prison and posted his late…
I mean, I don't have a problem with the members serving time (doing good things doesn't make up for burning factories), but the guy with the plea deal shouldn't have got off.
I hope the guy that rolled gets at least 15 years of his sentence and doesn't get let off early. There's no reason he shouldn't serve the entire 25. This case lead to someone's death.
Shouldn’t local law enforcement do a little more triage before sending in paramilitaristic swat teams? How many hostage situations actually happen in middle class boring suburbs such that a single unverified call turns into a full blown swat response?
Several things need to be done. These idiots should be charged with something along the lines of conspiracy to commit murder. The phone system needs to be updated to prevent apoofing of numbers. I know it jas its reasons for corporate exchanges and whatnot, but safety outweighs that. A Telco should be able to uniquely identify precisely who made a call. Along the way: no blocked numbers on caller ID. I dont answer a…
I've been agitating for something like this for a long time now, but really, I'm fine if CallerID can be spoofed, but I should be able to get the billing account for the line it's using. Phone companies as a rule resist giving out this information (which they've made available to law enforcement for a century).
Shouldn’t local law enforcement do a little more triage before sending in paramilitaristic swat teams? How many hostage situations actually happen in middle class boring suburbs such that a single unverified call turns into a full blown swat response?
It's further complicated by massive inequality in the country, which generates strong class differences, resentment, and ultimately an "us vs them" mentality.
And we haven't even gotten to the pervasive racism yet.
America is an adolescent state, born from extreme violence and trauma that hasn't subsided yet. Americans in general are a paranoid people due to their general personal insecurity (high inequality, classism, racism, tribalism, one sickness from financial ruin, etc). It's only natural that their police force and justice system develop in such a medieval retribution style.
The main perpetrator whom gave up his friends Tyler Rai Barriss actually did cause the death of someone in Kansas by "Swatting" them. He then was completely unapologetic. These new indictments are after he accepted a plea deal for 20-25 years in federal prison. Here is his twitter: https://twitter.com/goredtutor36?lang=en . He boasted about swatting people and somehow got internet access in prison and posted his late…
According to a police statement regarding the 2017 Wichita Swatting event: "Officers gave [the victim] several verbal commands to put his hands up and walk towards them. The male complied for a very short time and then put his hands back down to his waist. The officers continued to give him verbal commands to put his hands up, and he lowered them again." [1] I'm not well informed on the subject, but wouldn't equippin…
I don't think there's any video of the actual incident is there?
Maybe the dude didn't understand what the big deal was and kept dropping his hands? Someone probably jumped the gun?
I wonder if that team had non-lethal weapons and just didn't get them out. If he didn't have a firearm, a beanbag rifle could have ended this much differently.