AWS gives open source the middle finger? • Hacker News Board

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by tomnipotent » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:32 AM UTC

tanilama wrote: post #26

nemothekid wrote: post #24

> However, developers are technically savvy enough to distinguish between the real thing and a poor imitation. MongoDB will continue to outperform any impersonations in the market This feels like a MongoDB sponsored post. How badly would you have to fuck up to be considered a poor imitation of MongoDB? In any case I don't see how having their own hosted version of MongoDB is a middle finger to open source, but Aurora…

How credible techcrunch should be considered a reliable journalism source here? This one smells pretty much like a money article

TechCrunch lost credibility a loooong time ago (well before being sold to AOL). It's safe to ignore any drivel it publishes.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by Lazare » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:33 AM UTC

That's a very tendentious title.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by koolba » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:34 AM UTC

whoisjuan wrote: post #38

koolba wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened two years ago?

They changed the licensing basically forcing Amazon to pay or stop using Mongo or build something else. But at an AWS level that's a lot of money apparently, so they stopped using it. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone feel free to correct me.

I thought he was referencing that but the license change was more recent, Oct 2018: https://www.mongodb.com/press/mongodb-issues-new-server-side...

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by bradrydzewski » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:35 AM UTC

mongodb announced the Server Side Public License change less than 12 weeks ago. When you account for end of year and holidays, building a new product line and rolling it out in such a short period of time seems unlikely. I would guess this has been in the works for a while (although admittedly I could be overestimating engineering effort and underestimating amazon engineering talent).

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by nybble41 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:37 AM UTC

_cs2017_ wrote: post #25

WTF with this title. We all agree API shouldn't be licenseable, but now we expect companies to feel like they shouldn't use API for free because without licensing the source code "it looks bad"?

What does this even have to do with Open Source? MongoDB isn't Open Source; not any more. Their new Server Side Public License is not an OSI-approved Open Source license, and the intent of the license change goes directly against the 6th criteria of the Open Source Definition ("No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor").

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:37 AM UTC

ilovecaching wrote: post #31

> "To be fair, AWS has become more active in open source lately" What are they referring to? From my perspective, Amazon rarely open sources their work. It's one of the reasons I would never want to work at Amazon. It's very clear they have no love for technology outside of making a business out of it.

Firecracker? That was a big one to me.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:38 AM UTC

fogetti wrote: post #21

Very well put. I already found disgusting what AWS did with Dynamodb (adding key-eviction, etc as a catch-up with MDB) but this is even more hideous.

You found it disgusting that a software vendor decided to implement features in order to match competitors in the space? That's... how product development works.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by tobyjsullivan » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:41 AM UTC

"AWS gives MongoDB the middle finger" would be a more accurate, less sensationalist headline.

Making a business choice to not buy licenses from a single for-profit company doesn't really have anything to do with open source in general.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by bwb » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:42 AM UTC

Stupid title for the article. Inflammatory and I bet tc got some eyeballs.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by paulddraper » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 4:42 AM UTC

bradrydzewski wrote: post #44

mongodb announced the Server Side Public License change less than 12 weeks ago. When you account for end of year and holidays, building a new product line and rolling it out in such a short period of time seems unlikely. I would guess this has been in the works for a while (although admittedly I could be overestimating engineering effort and underestimating amazon engineering talent).

You're absolutely right. AWS is not known to move that fast (though they are known to move faster if they think the competition is outpacing them).

This undoubtedly had been in the works as Aurora for MongoDB.

The timing is suspect, sure. But one look at Aurora for MySQL and Aurora for PostgreSQL will tell you that AWS would've gotten around to it regardless of licensing.