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How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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"Food Valley"? Oh, come on... they could have done better! How about "Sustenance Valley"? But that brings up a secondary point... a valley?? In Holland??

Yeah, it's nuts. Every region and a half in the Netherlands that specializes in something calls themselves "something something valley". That said I was once in Silicon Valley and there were hills on the left and water on the right. Not really much of a valley either.

And if you looked past the water you would have seen the hills on the other side. The 'valley' is between hills on either side of the bay.

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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Yeah, it's nuts. Every region and a half in the Netherlands that specializes in something calls themselves "something something valley". That said I was once in Silicon Valley and there were hills on the left and water on the right. Not really much of a valley either.

I live in the Netherlands, and I've never heard anything like that before. I live in The Hague, maybe it's a regional thing?

I used to live in the Netherlands and I'm writing this from Utrecht. The valleys are regional:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Valley in Wageningen

2. https://www.healthvalley.nl/ in Nijmegen

3. http://www.metalvalley.eu/nl/home in Brabant

4. https://www.immunovalley.nl/ in Utrecht

5. https://legalvalleynederland.nl/ in Arnhem

6. https://www.energyvalley.nl/ in the northern provinces

If you like partying you can always go to: https://dancevalley.com/

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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Actually a bit of a myth (I'm Dutch). It's more a case of targeting different markets with different price and quality ratios. E.g. Germans love to complain about Dutch water bombs but buy them by the kilo anyway because the stuff is cheap. They don't realize the more expensive varieties also available to them come from the same country. You don't have to buy the cheap ones but they do; it's their poor tastes that ar…

The other problem is the Netherlands are at risk of getting wiped out by rising sea levels. Your example of Italy is bad news - in effect countries that could produce their own are buying Dutch because it’s cheaper, presumably because economies of scale now work in Holland’s favor. In other words we depend on a country that’s at risk of being wiped out by flooding for food _and_ that same countrys dominant market pos…

I was worried about that too, only it turns out that due to the exact location the risks due to the sea level are much lower than in other countries. Having the British Isles as a buffer from the Atlantic really helps.

Changes to the weather pattern (particularly the rain) are a bigger cause of concern.

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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Not to talk down the Dutch achievement too much but the quality of statistics used in this article is terrible. Total monetary value of agricultural exports is a terrible way to measure output. It doesn't take into account: 1. Re-exports (Rotterdam is the largest port in Europe) 2. Specialisation in the production of certain goods (i.e. high imports and exports) 3. The high price of agricultural goods in Europe, driv…

One of the gains in yield per hectare is given right at the start of the article. 20 as opposed to 9 tons per hectare.

Though that’s a global average, and may be just as amazing in the US.

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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post #12

What is kind of funny is that people here like to pay more for 'organic' food because they think it's more healthy. But what comes from the greenhouse is so lab-grown it's more healthy than anything. Those labs also don't like to use pesticides because it's unhealthy for the workers and plants as well. They use insects to control pests. The only problem with greenhouse food is that it tastes like nothing. A tomato gr…

>A tomato grown on soil has much more taste than grown on water. You mean they use hydroponics?

Yes

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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What is kind of funny is that people here like to pay more for 'organic' food because they think it's more healthy. But what comes from the greenhouse is so lab-grown it's more healthy than anything. Those labs also don't like to use pesticides because it's unhealthy for the workers and plants as well. They use insects to control pests. The only problem with greenhouse food is that it tastes like nothing. A tomato gr…

It's not the soil but the lack of sun that deprives the tomatoes of their taste. Greenhouses in the Netherlands are heated with natural gas. The Dutch government subsidises the gas so they can keep their costs low and be competitive. So that's another reason to eat organic food; it is more sustainable because it uses natural sunlight. And tastier as well!

I’m fairly certain nobody would buy the Tomatoes if they didn’t have any taste.

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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post #42

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I live in the Netherlands, and I've never heard anything like that before. I live in The Hague, maybe it's a regional thing?

I used to live in the Netherlands and I'm writing this from Utrecht. The valleys are regional: 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Valley in Wageningen 2. https://www.healthvalley.nl/ in Nijmegen 3. http://www.metalvalley.eu/nl/home in Brabant 4. https://www.immunovalley.nl/ in Utrecht 5. https://legalvalleynederland.nl/ in Arnhem 6. https://www.energyvalley.nl/ in the northern provinces If you like partying you ca…

Coming back to the Netherlands from abroad it often feels like they’re pretty good at coming up with what I would consider fairly cringeworthy names.

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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I wonder if Dutch tomatoes imported to Italy are canned and then branded as "made in Italy"?

That'd be illegal for food, which must state the country of origin.

Labelling law is not that strict in the EU except for meat and fish. The idea of a single country of origin is pretty dubious anyway.

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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post #47
post #42

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I used to live in the Netherlands and I'm writing this from Utrecht. The valleys are regional: 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Valley in Wageningen 2. https://www.healthvalley.nl/ in Nijmegen 3. http://www.metalvalley.eu/nl/home in Brabant 4. https://www.immunovalley.nl/ in Utrecht 5. https://legalvalleynederland.nl/ in Arnhem 6. https://www.energyvalley.nl/ in the northern provinces If you like partying you ca…

Coming back to the Netherlands from abroad it often feels like they’re pretty good at coming up with what I would consider fairly cringeworthy names.

Yep! I myself live and work in the area (Eindhoven) that willingly calls itself "Brainport". I hear the word almost daily for ten years and I still cringe.

Re: How the Netherlands Feeds the World (2017)

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in the Netherlands, and I've never heard anything like that before. I live in The Hague, maybe it's a regional thing?

I used to live in the Netherlands and I'm writing this from Utrecht. The valleys are regional: 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Valley in Wageningen 2. https://www.healthvalley.nl/ in Nijmegen 3. http://www.metalvalley.eu/nl/home in Brabant 4. https://www.immunovalley.nl/ in Utrecht 5. https://legalvalleynederland.nl/ in Arnhem 6. https://www.energyvalley.nl/ in the northern provinces If you like partying you ca…

The pattern is so overused that organizations that never even tried to amount to something adopted it. Eg I was once at an event organized by "DSP Valley", which was never more than someone behind a desk organizing a few (mediocre) networking events: https://www.hightechcampus.nl/bedrijven/dsp-valley.
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