The problem with ML in my opinion is not that we're missing some sort of fundamental theory, but that there simply is none. ML is essentially fancy pattern matching roughly resembling the human visual system, which is why it happens to be good at tasks related to perception. It's not some master algorithm, it's not going to produce sci-fi AI, and it probably isn't even suited to solve most problems in the realm of in…
Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
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Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It barely learns anything given the amount of computation effort an data that goes into it, but it just happens to be good enough to be practically preferable to old symbolic systems. I don’t follow this. Are you implying there haven’t been absolutely massive gains in computer vision, nlg, nlp, etc?
Those massive gains have yet to considered reliable enough to be considered trusthworthy. Would you consider them trusthworthy in court, where lives are at stake? Gains are nice but we are still so far from the essence of AI systems and considering how much resources we are pouring into learning, at this point all of them appear as nothing more than massive fat expensive toys
We're using them at Generic Health Insurance Megacorp in production - lots of enterprises are. If you are in the IT industry, it might be useful to spend some lab time with ML. Possibly you have a misconception of ML and/or confuse it with AI.
Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Humans are often not considered trustworthy and reliable in court.
What does that have to do with engineering?
> Would you consider them trusthworthy in court, where lives are at stake?
Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#44The problem with ML in my opinion is not that we're missing some sort of fundamental theory, but that there simply is none. ML is essentially fancy pattern matching roughly resembling the human visual system, which is why it happens to be good at tasks related to perception. It's not some master algorithm, it's not going to produce sci-fi AI, and it probably isn't even suited to solve most problems in the realm of in…
Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those massive gains have yet to considered reliable enough to be considered trusthworthy. Would you consider them trusthworthy in court, where lives are at stake? Gains are nice but we are still so far from the essence of AI systems and considering how much resources we are pouring into learning, at this point all of them appear as nothing more than massive fat expensive toys
>> Those massive gains have yet to considered reliable enough to be considered trusthworthy. We're using them at Generic Health Insurance Megacorp in production - lots of enterprises are. If you are in the IT industry, it might be useful to spend some lab time with ML. Possibly you have a misconception of ML and/or confuse it with AI.
Indeed...
Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#46The problem with ML in my opinion is not that we're missing some sort of fundamental theory, but that there simply is none. ML is essentially fancy pattern matching roughly resembling the human visual system, which is why it happens to be good at tasks related to perception. It's not some master algorithm, it's not going to produce sci-fi AI, and it probably isn't even suited to solve most problems in the realm of in…
Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#47To me it's very similar to Boolean logic circuits the way I was taught those in college except that there's too many gates to configure manually so you use supervised learning to find reasonable values and an arrangement of gates that works (aka your trained neural network).
I've never heard anyone else describe it this way but this is how I like to think about it. It really has nothing to do with how the human brain or much less human mind works. That's just marketing speak.
Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#48A ML network does not have intrinsic, real-time mutability in how it is defined, outside the scope of memory-based node weights, inputs, outputs or graphs over time. These nodes are added, removed or modified based on a predefined set of input, output and internal mappings. How would intermediate layers be defined in a dynamic way between input and output in such a network in an attempt to achieve these higher powers? Driving a car, for instance, is a task that requires learning entire new subsets of skills, many times ad-hoc, that require intermediate models to be dynamically developed which are potentially outside the capabilities of our understanding. The biggest challenge I see today is that we don't necessarily have a good way to dynamically construct models of the intermediate layers (such that we can map them to other layers), especially if these layers are being added and removed dynamically by algorithms at the edge of our capability to understand.
I've always felt that there needs to be some internal processing occurring at rates far higher than the input sample rates such that higher-order intelligence may emerge by way of adjusting the entities noted above multiple times per input sample (and potentially even in the absence of input). The problem is also going to come down to how a person would define outcomes vs how an AI/ML network would. For the future to really begin we will need an AI that can understand and reason with what success and failure feel like in our abstract terms. This will require it to have the capacity to dynamically construct abstractions which we would have no hope of modelling ourselves, as we do not have very deep insight into the abstractions upon which the biological human brain implements virtually any behavior today. There is no amount of discrete math in the universe which can accurately model and assess the higher-order outcomes of decisions made in our reality. You can run ML disguised as AI in simulations and environments with fixed complexity all day, but once you throw one of these "trained" networks out into the real world without any constraints, you are probably going to see very unsatisfactory outcomes.
Re: Machine learning has become alchemy (2017) [video]
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Those massive gains have yet to considered reliable enough to be considered trusthworthy. We're using them at Generic Health Insurance Megacorp in production - lots of enterprises are. If you are in the IT industry, it might be useful to spend some lab time with ML. Possibly you have a misconception of ML and/or confuse it with AI.
So, long story short, when groups were talking about governmental death panels, they in actuality were black box AIs that we have no understanding of, yet they make the core decisions and recommendations? Indeed...