Maybe this will make Japan warm up to the idea of more immigration. Just kidding, of course...
It would be better if they gave incentives to their own for having children.
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Re: Number of babies born in Japan is the lowest since records began
#42Good Idea actually. In Norway this issue was studied when it still was still politically possible. The probability of a baby becoming "marginaliserad" ie social fuck-up was 40% for single mothers, 20% for working mothers and "incredibly low" for full-time mothers. Babies have no absolute intrinsic value perse, this is why replacing natives with imported IQ-72 people does not work.
Funny. If imported ppl were IQ=72 they would not hijack Norway wellfear system :D
Most immigrant households in the USA are on welfare.
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Hous...
Re: Number of babies born in Japan is the lowest since records began
#43Maybe I’m missing something or not thinking it through but why not pay people to have babies based on their status? It would cause more divide between classes but I feel like the ends might justify the means. Great education and job? You get paid more to have a baby. Homeless? You get paid nothing to have a baby. Put the payment on a sliding scale. The lower the birth rate the higher the pay until you cross your desi…
A tax for _not_ having babies? I don't think that will go over so well...
Re: Number of babies born in Japan is the lowest since records began
#44Maybe I’m missing something or not thinking it through but why not pay people to have babies based on their status? It would cause more divide between classes but I feel like the ends might justify the means. Great education and job? You get paid more to have a baby. Homeless? You get paid nothing to have a baby. Put the payment on a sliding scale. The lower the birth rate the higher the pay until you cross your desi…
I'm not sure to what extent the problem is due to economics and to what extent it's due to culture. I read recently that half of single men in Japan are virgins, which is quite staggering. Lots of Japanese people seem to have simply "dropped out" of the idea of having an intimate relationship, replacing that with video games and pornography.
When I lived in Japan, what struck me was how infantile and coddled the whole culture seemed: lots of "kawaii" anime everywhere, in advertisements, on product wrapping, etc. Signs everywhere telling you how to act (in grocery stores they have footprint markings on the floor to tell you what path to follow...). Grown men watching anime about little girls. I wonder if all this is creating a masculinity crisis in Japan.
Funny how they went from Samurais to this.
Re: Number of babies born in Japan is the lowest since records began
#45In a world with 7.7 billion people, why are declining birth rates almost always described as problem?
Because children in Africa are not going to finance retirement of japanese elderly.
They might finance retirement of chinese, though. Immigration is nice, but it's far from the only path to sustained economic development.
Re: Number of babies born in Japan is the lowest since records began
#46Half of the population cannot have natural children, i.e. the median age of 47 is past menopause.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/median-age/
(Prefrozen or surrogate embryos can make it into their 50s)
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because children in Africa are not going to finance retirement of japanese elderly.
Or at least, not without very substantial immigration.
Of the former children from Africa, Syria, Afghanistan etc. which came to Germany (Europe) in the last three years a too high percentage does not seem to have the ability (or willingness) to replace a worker in Germany. Immigration alone doesn't help. It may even make matters worse if the 'wrong' people come. (I wrote 'seems' because it is difficult to get objective hard numbers for this emotional subject).
Regarding birthrates/immigration: Help without conditions is wrong, I now think. NGO's should not be allowed to 'help in Africa' (and Afghanistan, ...) without making sure that the birthrates drop significantly. Providing modern medicine without enforcing the 'recipients' to adapt the culture/custom will lead to a desaster in those countries (and if 'everybody' migrates - in Europe also (will happen after my lifetime probably)).
Re: Number of babies born in Japan is the lowest since records began
#48Maybe this will make Japan warm up to the idea of more immigration. Just kidding, of course...
It would be better if they gave incentives to their own for having children.
Why would that be better? If that worked, it will take 20 to 30 years to see any improvement in the workforce, but will cost a lot up-front.
However, financial incentives have never worked. In fact, I don't know of a single political measure which has significantly raise birth rates. The only way that might work would be to discourage women's education, which of course nobody wants (I hope...).
Children are massively expensive, especially to the parents. Parents, especially those who work, can't be "compensated" for the work, costs and risks of raising children. The motivation to raise children is entirely irrational from the perspective of the individual.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, they seem to be warming up. There was a report a few months back that they want to bring 200k IT professionals from India. Not sure if they actually mean that though. >Japan will open up its doors to about two lakh IT professionals from India, and issue green cards to settle down in Japan and support the country's rapidly expanding IT infrastructure, said Shigeki Maeda, Executive Vice President at Japan Ext…
Having had experience in both cultures, I can’t imagine two more opposite cultures. One is extremely deferential to others, the other you have to think about yourself first otherwise you won’t get anywhere. At least in public interactions.
My maybe slightly pessimistic view of Japanese attitudes toward immigration is that they will try to keep the Indians in a state of limbo, ready to deport them at the drop of a hat. Which of course won't work at these kind of numbers, anyway.
Re: Number of babies born in Japan is the lowest since records began
#50Maybe I’m missing something or not thinking it through but why not pay people to have babies based on their status? It would cause more divide between classes but I feel like the ends might justify the means. Great education and job? You get paid more to have a baby. Homeless? You get paid nothing to have a baby. Put the payment on a sliding scale. The lower the birth rate the higher the pay until you cross your desi…
I'm not sure to what extent the problem is due to economics and to what extent it's due to culture. I read recently that half of single men in Japan are virgins, which is quite staggering. Lots of Japanese people seem to have simply "dropped out" of the idea of having an intimate relationship, replacing that with video games and pornography. When I lived in Japan, what struck me was how infantile and coddled the whol…
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