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Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by hawski »

subsubsub wrote: post #7

Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

You are right. Although I think that most are just lurking around even when positive. There is not much to be said if you just like the project. But people can always complain.

I like the project with some minor reservations, but there is not much to discuss at this point. I'm not gonna cheerlead. My biggest regret is price and size. I'm waiting for more information on Necuno Mobile [0] as I believe it will be in my price range, however with worse hardware. But they both can share software and that's great.

As for Purism I will wait for when it's cheaper or I will have more money to spend. I would buy one if it would be in a notebook or netbook form though. That's also what I'm hoping for - an iMX8M laptop.

[0] https://necunos.com/mobile/

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by saagarjha »

michaelmrose wrote: post #39
czbond wrote: post #16

I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down?

You aren't even root on your own device what tightening down do you imagine is possible?

macOS allows for root.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by spotman »

ucaetano wrote: post #40
subsubsub wrote: post #7

Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

Spend it, preorder one. It most likely will never make it to production. At this point in time, if the creators were being honest, they would either have announced an OEM sign up, or have announced that it has already been delayed beyond Spring 2019. As much as I like donations to causes, donations to doomed causes who aren't honest about the probability they'll ever come close to a reality are useless. They advertis…

regarding date and supply chain uncertainty i would tend to agree.

in this case however, they do sell laptops. so, they aren’t completely incapable of supply chain.

depending on if the laptop is really an in-house design, or not, they may be certainly going from a very basic to an extremely sophisticated supply chain.

or it could be that it’s not an in-house design fully and someone else is doing the supply chain and general design of the hardware.

the date is extremely optimistic or the handset hardware is much farther along than is obvious from the content on the site.

having said that i am a backer and can’t wait. vote with your dollar i suppose.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by jcelerier »

fosco wrote: post #29
kbenson wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). PureOS is Debian based linux operating system.[1] > I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down? It depends entirely on how and who you trust. If you implicitly trust Apple and that their goal now (and in the future!) and that their team can vet all the code going in to…

Does that mean its running systemd? I thought that was generally frowned upon. I don't know enough to have end opinion myself but it seems like systemd was questionable especially for this type of endeavor.

my phone has been running systemd since 2013 and it's fine - if anything, much easier to tinker with than android's mess of boot scripts

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by ognarb »

freedomben wrote: post #4

Would be interested in some links to SDKs and/or style guides. As a developer, how do I get started writing my app to target the Librem 5? Went through the website and many forums but haven't found any definitive.

Any app that work with GNU/Linux also work for the purism phone. KDE is working on an interesting convergent framework kirigami: https://www.kde.org/products/kirigami/.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by bpye »

jcelerier wrote: post #44
fosco wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that mean its running systemd? I thought that was generally frowned upon. I don't know enough to have end opinion myself but it seems like systemd was questionable especially for this type of endeavor.

my phone has been running systemd since 2013 and it's fine - if anything, much easier to tinker with than android's mess of boot scripts

What are you using?

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by 153791098c »

newnewpdro wrote: post #36
fosco wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that mean its running systemd? I thought that was generally frowned upon. I don't know enough to have end opinion myself but it seems like systemd was questionable especially for this type of endeavor.

The librem5 may as well be subtitled "The GNOME phone", I think it goes without saying that it will use systemd.

You are free to install any operating system on it that you like. Just like your desktop. We will probably also see 100% free android versions (like Replicant) to be released for this phone when it's out. But you could also install another GNU based Linux system of course, or just another DE.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by mpol »

bpye wrote: post #46
jcelerier wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my phone has been running systemd since 2013 and it's fine - if anything, much easier to tinker with than android's mess of boot scripts

What are you using?

Not the parent, but the Jolla 1 with Sailfish came out in 2013 with systemd and wayland. I have been using it since 2014.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by simias »

subsubsub wrote: post #7

Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

I'm impressed and very much respectful of what the Purism folks are trying to achieve but I just don't think their business plan is viable as it is. As such I really don't really believe that getting a few geeks on HN to support the project will really make much of a difference. They need a much broader market share if they want to have a chance to survive in the long term and I don't see how they can get it. As it stands the only people who will consider buying this are principled FLOSS folks with a lot of disposable income. I doubt that's enough. It's not just about building the phone (which is already very difficult), it's also about maintaining the software and app ecosystem in the long term.

Windows Phones and countless other smartphone environments floundered over the years even though they were backed by behemoths. What chances does Purism have?

So while I have absolutely no hostility towards the project I just don't think it's worth donating money to what I consider to be a lost cause. I'd rather donate money to other Open Source projects who I think will make better use of it.

I would be very glad to be proven wrong however, the current smartphone ecosystem is an absolute nightmare if you value privacy and having control on your hardware. If it turns out that the Librem 5 is not dead on arrival like I presume it will be (assuming that it even manages to arrive in the first place) I'll definitely consider buying one.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by Already__Taken »

simias wrote: post #49
subsubsub wrote: post #7

Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

I'm impressed and very much respectful of what the Purism folks are trying to achieve but I just don't think their business plan is viable as it is. As such I really don't really believe that getting a few geeks on HN to support the project will really make much of a difference. They need a much broader market share if they want to have a chance to survive in the long term and I don't see how they can get it. As it s…

backed by behemoths with motives other than simply make a good phone.
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