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AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by ta_271828 »

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #38
ta_271828 wrote: post #35

This is interesting given that I heard on the grapevine that some major cloud players are actually using AWS on the back-end even though they are advertising say as.. "GCP".. wonder if anyone can confirm or deny...

By nature large companies have massive global teams and there is no single provider for anything. Team A could using AWS, while team B cloud be using GCP, and team C is using Azure. Just because team B says they are using GCP doesn't mean the others are lying. Or, that there is anything weird going on.

Actually I meant to say that the news on the grapevine is that the big cloud players (GCP etc.) are potentially outsourcing demand for cloud services in excess of their capacity to AWS...

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by [deleted] »

ta_271828 wrote: post #41
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By nature large companies have massive global teams and there is no single provider for anything. Team A could using AWS, while team B cloud be using GCP, and team C is using Azure. Just because team B says they are using GCP doesn't mean the others are lying. Or, that there is anything weird going on.

Actually I meant to say that the news on the grapevine is that the big cloud players (GCP etc.) are potentially outsourcing demand for cloud services in excess of their capacity to AWS...

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Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by coherentpony »

sethvargo wrote: post #29

Hey all - Seth from Google here. Thank you to the authors who worked on this report. These types of reports help us better understand the ways in which our customers and partners utilize our platform. Our team is reviewing the report and will provide a response as we conduct our own benchmarks. Varying factors impact these types of benchmark analyses, many of which are difficult to isolate and control. As an example,…

If you review the findings and then respond with, "Actually, GCP outperforms AWS," how many pinches of salt should we take your response with?

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by WestCoastJustin »

ta_271828 wrote: post #41
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By nature large companies have massive global teams and there is no single provider for anything. Team A could using AWS, while team B cloud be using GCP, and team C is using Azure. Just because team B says they are using GCP doesn't mean the others are lying. Or, that there is anything weird going on.

Actually I meant to say that the news on the grapevine is that the big cloud players (GCP etc.) are potentially outsourcing demand for cloud services in excess of their capacity to AWS...

To be blunt. No. This is totally absurd and would be trivial to detect if true. On the legal side, you'd be breaking all sorts of ToS, Security, and Privacy agreements (you'd have to disclose this via a data processor clause). On the technical side, latency would also be so obvious to detect this too. They are totally different hardware/software platforms and would have different characteristics (as proven by this thread). On the business side, no AWS/GCP/Azure CEO will ever do this, staff would totally be aware too. This is 100% bogus.

I actually did not even want to reply and this make zero sense but felt invested. Whoever told you this doesn't know what they are talking about.

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by sitharus »

kharms wrote: post #18

For someone who has worked with both: which offers a better developer onboarding experience, for small web/data apps? Ease of learning and use wise.

It depends on your goals. If you're planning on just setting up a couple of servers then it's all much the same. However for scaling and maintenance I prefer AWS with a tool like Terraform to manage infrastructure. It forces you to think of situations like replacing servers, as you'll have to replace them at some point.

I think Google's AppEngine is easier for starting, but AWS Lambda + API Gateway is pretty close IMO.

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by derefr »

> What about network throughput variance? On AWS, the variance is only 0.006 GB/sec. This means that the GCP network throughput is 81x more variable when compared to AWS.

What would cause this particular effect? It's very interesting.

Is it, perhaps, that with GCP you're hitting the capacity of the network, while with AWS you're being artificially capped at that speed on a network that could theoretically go faster?

Or maybe it's just different strategies for bandwidth-limiting instances employed by AWS's SDN layer vs. GCP's? Probabilistic packet-drop (to force TCP window scaling) vs. artificially-induced nanosecond-scale egress latencies?

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by dpedu »

brian_cunnie wrote: post #13

I've also benchmarked GCP vs. AWS [0], and, for the tests that I ran, found that GCP outperformed AWS by a factor of 3:1. Specifically, a GCP instance n1-highcpu-8 with a 256GB pd-ssd disk, clocked in at 11,728 IOPS vs an AWS c4.xlarge with a 256GB gp2 disk, clocking in at 3,634 IOPS. To put that in context of the blog post, it means your setup can drastically affect your results. Using local NVMe disk, for example,…

I don't think the AWS side of your test is a good example.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/EBSVolum...

You will never get more than ~3,000 iops on a 256GB gp2 disk because the IOP cap for gp2 type disks of this size is 768 or 3,000 iops. Yes, "or". If you ran the test above for longer, you'd find that the iops will eventually drop to the baseline of 768 (which is the size of your disk multiplied times 3). Or, if you test a much larger gp2 volume you'll see higher numbers as well. Check out the description of the "burst bucket" in the link above.

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by hobs »

ta_271828 wrote: post #41
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By nature large companies have massive global teams and there is no single provider for anything. Team A could using AWS, while team B cloud be using GCP, and team C is using Azure. Just because team B says they are using GCP doesn't mean the others are lying. Or, that there is anything weird going on.

Actually I meant to say that the news on the grapevine is that the big cloud players (GCP etc.) are potentially outsourcing demand for cloud services in excess of their capacity to AWS...

It is very unlikely that google needs to buy computers from amazon.

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by JaRail »

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #44
ta_271828 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I meant to say that the news on the grapevine is that the big cloud players (GCP etc.) are potentially outsourcing demand for cloud services in excess of their capacity to AWS...

To be blunt. No. This is totally absurd and would be trivial to detect if true. On the legal side, you'd be breaking all sorts of ToS, Security, and Privacy agreements (you'd have to disclose this via a data processor clause). On the technical side, latency would also be so obvious to detect this too. They are totally different hardware/software platforms and would have different characteristics (as proven by this th…

That said, hosting providers who historically ran services on only their own hardware could certainly be load-balancing to cloud hosting providers. This is certainly not what the comment you responded to implies. However, it is something I'd expect people to get confused about..

Re: AWS Outperforms GCP in the 2018 Cloud Report

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Post by jeremyjh »

kharms wrote: post #18

For someone who has worked with both: which offers a better developer onboarding experience, for small web/data apps? Ease of learning and use wise.

I think Google does much better in terms of UX / DevX. Particular features that I appreciate are the cloud console shell and their API explorer/fiddler. Still, they do not have as many services, and the services they have do not have the same features so actually getting things done may still be easier on AWS.
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