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In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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Re: In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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post #17

Yes, long sentences can be great, in fiction. They're rather like wandering trains of thought. With sequences of phrases that evoke shifting perspectives, feelings, etc. But long sentences in scientific and technical writing can be impenetrable. Sort of like stand-alone proofs. Or even code, which must essentially be parsed. That stuff, I'd rather see broken out in a list or outline. And in fact, I sometimes do that.

In a paragraph that presents a line of reasoning, long sentences are great for connecting one thought to the next, or for connecting several thoughts together, without a full stop in between, thus driving the readers forward with the development of the thesis toward a climactic statement of a conclusion as the paragraph ends.

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post #17

Yes, long sentences can be great, in fiction. They're rather like wandering trains of thought. With sequences of phrases that evoke shifting perspectives, feelings, etc. But long sentences in scientific and technical writing can be impenetrable. Sort of like stand-alone proofs. Or even code, which must essentially be parsed. That stuff, I'd rather see broken out in a list or outline. And in fact, I sometimes do that.

On a more farcical note, the Dark And Stormy Night purple prose awards are, as many will learn, an annual compost-laden hotbed of long complicated sentences.

https://www.bulwer-lytton.com/latest-winners

>>> "He blended with the bleak city storefronts as people fled the cold, hard rain that sounded like a funeral dirge on an unforgiving sidewalk, seen yet unseen, someone yet no one, and like a lion stalking a weakened wildebeest from the tall grass of the Serengeti, he sprang toward a beautiful woman struggling to find purchase in her high heels and handed out another coupon for twenty percent off at Sneaker Jungle."

Re: In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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Rather ironic that this post or short essay is completely written in 8 - 10 words sentences. The full stop comes way too often, making the text a constant stop-and-go, like a car stuck in traffic. Is it because of a certain unwillingness to talk that the author mutters each sentence between his teeth? Or is it for assertiveness- each full stop making a statement, as axioms and lemmas of a theorem to prove?

Re: In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> doesn't even follow its own made-up rules One must first know the rules, in order to break them. Strunk & White, introduced to me by my sophomore year high school English teacher, is the reason I enjoy writing at all. Prior to that, writing was a chore that I loathed. The Elements of Style is one of the few things from high school that I still remember specifically and, 35 years later, still use. To me it is the K&…

But the point is not only are what Strunk & White talk about not rules followed by good writers, they're not rules that have anything to do with English in the first place. For instance, from my link: > Strunk makes are foolish assertions like that however in the sense "nevertheless" cannot be correctly used to begin a sentence Why is it that Strunk would assert this? On what basis? It's not rooted in any linguistic…

They are not supposed to be gramatical rules. They are supposed to be style rules that makes normal person write better and to teach you to think about writing.

Of course it is made up. Style manuals are made up and not meant to be comprehensive list of everything possible.

Re: In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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post #17

Yes, long sentences can be great, in fiction. They're rather like wandering trains of thought. With sequences of phrases that evoke shifting perspectives, feelings, etc. But long sentences in scientific and technical writing can be impenetrable. Sort of like stand-alone proofs. Or even code, which must essentially be parsed. That stuff, I'd rather see broken out in a list or outline. And in fact, I sometimes do that.

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Re: In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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Dylan Thomas was always good for a few of these. “Years and years ago, when I was a boy, when there were wolves in Wales, and birds the color of red-flannel petticoats whisked past the harp-shaped hills, when we sang and wallowed all night and day in caves that smelt like Sunday afternoons in damp front farmhouse parlors, and we chased, with the jawbones of deacons, the English and the bears, before the motor car, be…

Even reduced to its most basic form I find it moving. Drawing it out so long and so forcefully really drives a point of passion home. Thanks for sharing this!

If you haven't heard it yet try Under Milk Wood. Especially the version narrated by Richard Burton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gymiPlOqsY0, and here is a BBC article about the play 60 years later: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-25877064.

It's magical, I can still remember my senior high school English teacher playing it to us in 1971 and the whole class falling silent as the words washed over us.

Re: In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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I'm pretty confident that Pynchon, in Gravity's Rainbow, composed the greatest single-sentence ode to toothpaste ever written:

"In the pipefitters’ sheds, icicled, rattling when the gales are in the Straits, here’s thousands of used toothpaste tubes, heaped often to the ceilings, thousands of somber man-made mornings made tolerable, transformed to mint fumes and bleak song that left white spots across the quicksilver mirrors from Harrow to Gravesend, thousands of children who pestled foam up out of soft mortars of mouths, who lost easily a thousand times as many words among the chalky bubbles–bed-going complaints, timid announcements of love, news of fat or translucent, fuzzy or gentle beings from the country under the counterpane–uncounted soapy-liquorice moments spat and flushed down to sewers and the slow-scumming gray estuary, the morning mouths growing idle with the day tobacco and fish-furred, dry with fear, foul with idleness, flooded at thoughts of impossible meals, settling instead for the week’s offal in gland pies, Household Milk, broken biscuits at half the usual points, and isn’t menthol a marvelous invention to take just enough of it away each morning, down to become dusty oversize bubbles tessellating tough and stagnant among the tar shorelines, the intricate draftsmanship of outlets feeding, multiplying out to sea, as one by one these old toothpaste tubes are emptied and returned to the War, heaps of dimly fragrant metal, phantoms of peppermint in the winter shacks, each tube wrinkled or embossed by the unconscious hands of London, written over in interference-patterns, hand against hand, waiting now–it is true return–to be melted for solder, for plate, alloyed for castings, bearings, gasketry, hidden smokeshriek linings the children of that other domestic incarnation will never see."

Re: In Praise of the Long and Complicated Sentence

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post #23

Nothing wrong with long sentences. In fact I am not a fan of Hemingway whose sentences are typically short. I particularly like them in German, though they are uncommon on the web. I think I demonstrate a bias: I tried to make my sentences in this comment hemingwayesque, but it appears I failed...yet they are, for my typical writing, brief!

Ah, yes. Nothing like Hegel, with one half of the separable verb on page n near the top, and the other half near the bottom of page n + 2.
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