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The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly think you're missing the forest for the trees. It doesn't matter the actual reason massive, subtle opinion changes occur. Maybe it's the Russians. Maybe it's a liberal cabal. Maybe, as I suspect, most of SV doesn't know what the hell they're doing and are just faking it the best they can while they make bank. There is some effect occurring. Most reasonable commentators agree on that. Once that's settled, t…

Sorry, I don't buy it. If you (or the authors of this piece) want to have a conversation about data harvesting, do that. Subtly entwining that with conservative conspiracy theories isn't just an innocuous side thread of the conversation. This is clearly an attempt to hijack the conversation about data harvesting to amplify their totally unrelated message about supposed suppression of conservative speech. This is a ca…

I'll try again. And that's it.

You are concerned that this piece is wrong/misleading.

Ok. Great. Another person wrong on the internet.

Now, from a meta level, can you accept that the public discussion about data harvesting, like everything else is going to be politicized? And would you rather understand and engage people of all political persuasions by following their arguments, or are you happy just being in teams?

I like understanding both sides, seeing where they are going. That way I can have reasonable conversations with them.

Innocuous has nothing to do with anything. In fact, I'd argue that it's not innocuous. It's important. That's why we need to understand it.

You realize, of course, that both sides look equally nutty to the other, right? I'm watching it rain and friends of both political parties spin up the most fantastical explanations for why it's raining. I find that fascinating. I also need to talk to them about coming the hell in out of the rain, so I choose to understand first, then be understood.

Nobody's trying to soft-pedal anything. There's no whitewashing here. The perception is the reality. That's the way humans work. The causal, pseudo-scientific part of things? Different conversation entirely. Stop mixing them up.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Would this unlearn the Google's ML models from my data?

no. i would argue it’s not even your data, but that’s for another time.

It's yours at least to some extent under GDPR.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I think that a lot of Google and Facebook’s creepyness would go away if they’d just voluntarily respect the Do Not Track header.

There’s no techical reason why don’t, just business ethics.

That header is someone explicitly telling Google “I don’t want you to do this” _before_ collection happens and Google’s response is “we don’t give a shit what you want” and doing it anyway.

The current model where you have to register with Google or Facebook and then hunt down all the options to clear data just doesn’t cut it because they’re still using that data. They just clearing it after use or hiding that collection or use from you.

Facebook and Google could be looking at BATs as a way forward for targeted advertising without user tracking but they’re not in the “not creepy” business.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I looked at the "Google" page ( https://www.thecreepyline.com/programs/google-v2 ) and noticed it doesn't mention a few kind of important things. (1) You can pause activity collection at https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols (2) You can delete activity here https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Also, does anyone know if Facebook offers interfaces like these?

FB has Activity Log, visible only to you, and shows what you posted, commented, liked, tagged, shared, searched, etc. From there you can manage and delete stuff if you want, by hand.

FB also has shadow profiles of people whom they track even if they're not signed into the FB or even have a FB account. How do you suggest I opt out of that?

https://theconversation.com/shadow-profiles-facebook-knows-a...

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I think that a lot of Google and Facebook’s creepyness would go away if they’d just voluntarily respect the Do Not Track header. There’s no techical reason why don’t, just business ethics. That header is someone explicitly telling Google “I don’t want you to do this” _before_ collection happens and Google’s response is “we don’t give a shit what you want” and doing it anyway. The current model where you have to regis…

Google does actually clear that data. It persists in some backups for awhile but it’s never used again.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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post #44

I think that a lot of Google and Facebook’s creepyness would go away if they’d just voluntarily respect the Do Not Track header. There’s no techical reason why don’t, just business ethics. That header is someone explicitly telling Google “I don’t want you to do this” _before_ collection happens and Google’s response is “we don’t give a shit what you want” and doing it anyway. The current model where you have to regis…

Google does actually clear that data. It persists in some backups for awhile but it’s never used again.

Do they clear it without using it and if they do use it to they clear the results of that use?

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Yeah, this is actually quite funny. You can also watch it on iTunes. Are Amazon and Apple exceptions with respect to selling your information? (I'm genuinely asking)

Apple’s whole stance is to protect your data. They don’t sell it. Don’t know about Amazon but I think they use it for their own services only as they’re not advertising company. ---- EDIT: Brain fart, ignore

Amazon made $2 billion last quarter in advertisements. This is easily searchable, but here's the first result I found: https://marketingland.com/analysts-say-amazons-advertising-b...

As a comparison, Twitter made $758M in revenue last quarter.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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It is good that Amazon funded this documentary.

Source? Based on this link [1] posted elsewhere in this thread, if it is true that Amazon funded this, that has the potential to backfire spectacularly. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/19/17878332/creepy-line-anti...

It's streamed exclusively on Amazon Prime Now. Exclusives are funded by the company producing them (e.g. Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, etc)
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