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Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#41

It's strange that even though SF approved 2 scooter companies to operate that I feel like I rarely see anyone actually use vs what I saw when Bird/Lime were here.

Scoot removed a bunch of them due to theft. I believe they're trying to figure out a locking mechanism before ramping up again.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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I cannot stand the Limes and Birds around Santa Monica. I walk out of my apartment, and the streets are littered with them. It's annoying when walking, it's even more annoying when jogging, and riders are constantly riding them (without helmets) on sidewalks even though we have bike lanes. They're even a nuisance when driving. I'm hoping for some legislation that will ban them -- I might set up a grassroots campaign…

Its gotten a lot better outside of Santa Monica

I've seen it in snapshots over the last 6 months

regarding your banning campaign, outgoing Governor Brown basically enshrined them into the California fabric just now

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#43
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I cannot stand the Limes and Birds around Santa Monica. I walk out of my apartment, and the streets are littered with them. It's annoying when walking, it's even more annoying when jogging, and riders are constantly riding them (without helmets) on sidewalks even though we have bike lanes. They're even a nuisance when driving. I'm hoping for some legislation that will ban them -- I might set up a grassroots campaign…

I was actually in Santa Monica / Venice area for the first time a few weeks ago. I was /floored/ with how many scooters there were. I live in Atlanta and find them to be super awesome and unintrusive, but I could understand how the sheer quantity could put you off of them.

At least realize that they aren't so ridiculously overpopulated in other places -- it's probably the tourists that make it financially worth it to put out a deluge of them.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#44
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a "get off my lawn" comment. Regulations about these scooters don't exist in the large majority of places- meaning the default local regulations about illegal dumping apply. Whether people derive value from it or not is not important to local laws. These scooter companies are operating in a grey area; that's a fact. Please don't quickly dismiss discussion about this issue, especially in such an ignorant mann…

Scooters occupy ~5% the space as a car. Dedicating 2-10% of the spots on each block/public lot to bikes/scooters should already be built in as a public service. If you've ever biked as a mode of transport, even in most US 'bike-friendly' cities, you'll know how few bike racks are available.

Ebike startups are even making it required that the bike gets docked. So, it's not impossible.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#46
Uber for scooters. How many times was that autogenerated by one of the million (ironic) startup creator sites? These companies are not worth billions. They have an app, thousands of scooters and a near-slavery workforce. The charade of companies like this being displayed as marvels of capitalism and technology isn't going to last much longer. Uber is wearing out its welcome worldwide already.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#47
Full disclosure, I'm anti scooter. People drive them on the sidewalks, leave them in front of my front door, and I genuinely hope that both of these companies, specifically, fail.

With that disclosure, was anyone else horrified that the lifespan of these scooters is only 3 months?

Are they really removing enough vehicle trips to make these a net positive from an environmental standpoint?

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#48
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This article says these scooters make $16/day in revenue?! Where are they making that kind of money? The scooters in my city just sit in the same place for DAYS without moving... I don't buy those numbers at all...

Maybe you live in a low usage area, and scooters that just go back and forth in high usage areas generate far more than $16/day?

That's possible, but with a range of only 15 miles and they're most likely only getting charged at night, that's a max revenue of around $35/day for a scooter. I doubt there's enough scooters maxing out each day to offset the losers.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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post #28

I cannot stand the Limes and Birds around Santa Monica. I walk out of my apartment, and the streets are littered with them. It's annoying when walking, it's even more annoying when jogging, and riders are constantly riding them (without helmets) on sidewalks even though we have bike lanes. They're even a nuisance when driving. I'm hoping for some legislation that will ban them -- I might set up a grassroots campaign…

Set up a shop buying and selling "secondhand scooter parts" - don't ask too many questions and you could make a nice profit while incentivizing others to dismantle their inventory.

Selling to whom?

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#50
These scooters and scooter companies seem pretty divisive, especially on HN. I understand they're operating in grey areas, I guess kinda like Uber before them, but they are causing (I think) positive disruption.

I personally love these scooters. I'm living in Australia now where we don't have them. But last month I took a 3 week road trip from LAX to DC and back so I could hit cities I hadn't been to before. And in many of these cities, I used a Bird to get around. These scooters opened up so much more of these cities for me than I could have seen if I just walked every where.

I think they provide real value to a city, for tourists to get around, and for citizens for the last mile and to complement other forms of transport. We just need for these scooter companies to be less like Uber and actually work with the cities to come up with reasonable regulations (in particular insisting on all riders wearing helmets)

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