Live data from Hacker News

Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

techcrunch.com

41–50 of 206 posts

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#41
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he keeps being so reckless, he risks messing up all of those great things.

In what way is anything he does reckless? His tweeting? Do you think that is going to "mess up all of those great things"?

He's been ousted as Tesla chairman and sued by the SEC for making an impulsive weed joke tweet. Does that count?

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#42
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

I think they're rooting against him because he's been, frankly, extremely rude and petty in public to people that don't seem to deserve it. It's one thing for a celebrity to "feud" with another celebrity, it's another thing entirely when they do so to essentially anonymous people just trying to do their jobs (specifically, the well known investor call stuff, and also that cave diver).

While I agree that he should definitely delete his Twitter account, I believe the hate predates all stuff that by a lot.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#43
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he keeps being so reckless, he risks messing up all of those great things.

In what way is anything he does reckless? His tweeting? Do you think that is going to "mess up all of those great things"?

Yes, he got himself in hot water with his funding secured tweet and created a big mess at Tesla that undoubtedly diverted a lot of resources that could have been put to use elsewhere.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#44
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet development should take the environment into consideration because it can have massive consequences. Those consequences are ultimately an externality of the development project and evaluating it in advance can help inform the true financials of the project.

I wonder whether those that were taking the environment in to consideration for the development thought beyond the project to what environmental impacts could be lessened by the project. I'm not a Musk fanboy, but if these tunnels will work the way he's suggesting, the amount of traffic that would be removed from the roads (and by extension, the pollution) would probably be a net benefit to the environment.

I would question if it would actually lower traffic, or just allow more people to travel.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#45
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

I think they're rooting against him because he's been, frankly, extremely rude and petty in public to people that don't seem to deserve it. It's one thing for a celebrity to "feud" with another celebrity, it's another thing entirely when they do so to essentially anonymous people just trying to do their jobs (specifically, the well known investor call stuff, and also that cave diver).

Ever been rude in your life?

Would people think so if they were analyzing and over analyzing ever single thing you did while you held one of the most stressful positions in the world?

I for one am happy to cut the man some slack given all the good he has done and is trying to do for the world. He said himself he could've just bought an island after Paypal and never worked again, instead he chose to dedicate basically the entire rest of his life to good causes.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#46

Why doesn't Musk take his business elsewhere where he's welcome? I can imagine LA being a nightmare for this sort of project. He needs a place where bureaucracy is thinner and people are actually excited about everything new.

Any suggestions? China comes to my mind, but that comes with a whole other can of worms.

China and Japan have solutions to mass transit. They really don’t need disruption because they’re directly in competition with The Boring Company in terms of exporting their high speed train tech.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#47
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…

The issues is not that we don't want these things. People cheer for NASA and you hardly ever read anything negative about those missions. Elon is why people complain. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way with this tweets and attitude. You can be diplomatic and move things forward or you can be abrasive like Elon and also move forward.

[deleted]

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#48

Musk can do better than this. We need real subways and trains for transit. We do not need another express freeway lane that's underground. This is just adding more room for cars. Building on the existing approach of solving traffic by adding more lanes. This will not help Los Angeles nor America as a whole shift away from car dependency.

Your cities are very sparsely populated to be cost effective with rail.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#49

Musk can do better than this. We need real subways and trains for transit. We do not need another express freeway lane that's underground. This is just adding more room for cars. Building on the existing approach of solving traffic by adding more lanes. This will not help Los Angeles nor America as a whole shift away from car dependency.

You are not describing what he wanted to build there..

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#50
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet development should take the environment into consideration because it can have massive consequences. Those consequences are ultimately an externality of the development project and evaluating it in advance can help inform the true financials of the project.

I wonder whether those that were taking the environment in to consideration for the development thought beyond the project to what environmental impacts could be lessened by the project. I'm not a Musk fanboy, but if these tunnels will work the way he's suggesting, the amount of traffic that would be removed from the roads (and by extension, the pollution) would probably be a net benefit to the environment.

Which is the point of an environmental assessment: to look at the benefits and cost to the environment and document the net result.

This isn’t about declaring the project a hazard to the environment, this is skipping the process to determine if it is or isn’t a net good.

Post reply on HN