Maybe they should issue more concealed carry permits in bay area counties. It's wrong for the police to simultaneously neglect your protection and also prevent you from protecting yourself.
It's probably safer to just carry a little extra cash and pay off the robbers..
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#42Maybe they should issue more concealed carry permits in bay area counties. It's wrong for the police to simultaneously neglect your protection and also prevent you from protecting yourself.
I don't want somebody shooting for any reason on the BART.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like I said it seems like the local governments in both these places which share the same politics, are involved in actively holding back the local police force from doing their jobs. Is it not reasonable to hold the local government responsible for safety on the train? Given their track record for asking the police to be hands off, isn't the prevalence of unchecked crime in trains, crime on campuses and crime on the…
I don't see it. Crime is up on the subway, so you think this is part of a politically motivated strategy to "[hold] back the police force from doing their jobs"? The article says they have a lot of vacancies. Maybe they can't find people who want the job? Maybe their budget for policeman salaries doesn't fare well compared to the area housing prices? I could think of quite a few possible reasons for a rise in crime b…
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#44"Sibia caught a glimpse of a revolver in the man’s waist, and let go. The assailant slipped out just as the train doors closed behind him, he said." I was under the impression that concealed carry permits are extremely difficult to get in the vast majority of California?
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#45The anti-authoritarian in my dislikes them, but by all accounts (especially from my female friends), they're actually great. Their mandate is only to stop violence and disorderly behaviour, and they're actually super chill. Ticket inspection and fare evasion isn't part of their purview, which means they're not just armed ticket inspectors. I've had lost of friendly conversations with them while waiting for the train. Compare this to Sydney, where they post full fledged police officers with drug dogs at train stations, which is straight up fascist.
The PSOs are also really great at helping out with medical emergencies. I actually see them applying first aid more often than I seem them arresting people.
I know that HN is generally an anti-police crowd, and I have no idea what the financial implications would be for getting something like that on the BART (in Melbourne there's generally 2 officers at each station), but they do generally make the train stations a lot safer at night. I don't want to wade too deep into the gun control debate, but it also helps that petty criminals in Australia don't have guns. Unless you're involved with organised crime, there's almost chance you'll be a victim of gun violence here.
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#46This is why it's hard to get support for public transit funding. People don't want to take public transit if they will fear for their lives, or be surrounded by drug addicts and mentally disturbed people yelling at and spitting on other passengers. BART trains and stations are like this on a regular basis; Muni has the same problems but not as bad. I've seen this kind of thing happen on Caltrain late at night also, b…
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#47"Sibia caught a glimpse of a revolver in the man’s waist, and let go. The assailant slipped out just as the train doors closed behind him, he said." I was under the impression that concealed carry permits are extremely difficult to get in the vast majority of California?
Criminals don’t bother to try and get permits.
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#48I'm glad that now, finally, the victims of that might be getting some justice
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think crimes on Bart are the jurisdiction of Bart police. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_Police_...
And all they do is give parking tickets. I’ve never seen them inside a train in 8 years.
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#50It seems like the Bay Area is going through what New York City went through in the 1970s and 1980s.