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Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by arctux »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #37
arctux wrote: post #31

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This is not correct: https://cloud.google.com/maps-platform/

Google Maps Platform is a part of Google Cloud, but not a part of Google Cloud Platform, despite now integrating with Google Cloud Platform's web console for purposes of managing billing and API keys. Yes, this is a branding and communication mess, but nevertheless true.

You seem to be correct.

> Google Maps Platform is a part of Google Cloud, but not a part of Google Cloud Platform

I have never felt that I have been confused by something so justifiably.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by briffle »

thanatropism wrote: post #21
writepub wrote: post #19

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Where are you getting this "price hike" narrative for Google from? Google's presence in the cloud market is instrumental in across the board price drops.

Google Maps left probably thousands of small, barely viable projects with their shorts down and no belt.

Funny how everyone here complains about Google maps changing their licensing, but nobody brings up MS changing changing from per socket to per core licensing a few years ago. That burned several medium businesses I know.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by Blunts »

It's astonishing to me that you silicon valley types still don't get, how much of a lead MS have on the compliance front (among others) that makes their cloud platform the only logical choice. In Europe, GCP is almost immediately disregarded, as they have, on multiple occasions, proved they cannot be trusted with your data, and legally required audits will destroy your company if you chose google as your provider(see the DeepMind issue for the latest example) while Amazon doesn't have quite the same problem, contrast that to MS who has the largest compliance list, as well as outstanding contracts with most large companies, and the choice is bloody obvious. Essentially, if you are not a SF startup or American centric company, there really is no other option, and the vast majority of the human population, surprise surprise, do not live/work in America.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by TomMarius »

Pxtl wrote: post #40
ghayes wrote: post #32

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I would add that AWS seems to moth-ball projects, where Google would officially announce an end-of-life. For example, I strongly regretted using AWS OpsWorks after I realized the only priority for AWS seemed to be keeping it running under SLA.

If we're going to talk about "mothball without formally announcing deprecation" Microsoft is pretty awful for that too. There are so many zombie libraries and frameworks and tools in the Microsoft family, and they never have the decency to say "stop using that". Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

Windows Forms were also the only sensible option until at least 2014. Only after 2014 Microsoft has fully commited to one solution, before that it was very wild.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by thrower123 »

Pxtl wrote: post #40
ghayes wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would add that AWS seems to moth-ball projects, where Google would officially announce an end-of-life. For example, I strongly regretted using AWS OpsWorks after I realized the only priority for AWS seemed to be keeping it running under SLA.

If we're going to talk about "mothball without formally announcing deprecation" Microsoft is pretty awful for that too. There are so many zombie libraries and frameworks and tools in the Microsoft family, and they never have the decency to say "stop using that". Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

I'm convinced that as long as there is a Windows operating system based on the Win32 API, WinForms cannot die.

It's still the nicest and most productive way to build GUI apps I've seen. Maybe not the prettiest, but it just works.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by scarface74 »

matchagaucho wrote: post #38
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

The inability to connect with a real human when escalating Google Cloud issues seems to be recurring theme on HN.

I can’t speak to Azure, but with a business support plan, it’s really easy to connect with a human on AWS. My experience is that they won’t give up until they resolve your issue. They’ve even gone as far as creating a simplified CloudFormation stack to duplicate the issue and then talk to their developers and get back to you.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by scarface74 »

cperciva wrote: post #39
azurezyq wrote: post #29

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Product has their lifecycle. Nothing lives forever even for AWS/Azure. In GCP, if a product is GA, deprecation got announced ahead of time and customers got notified and workarounds generally there. Enterprise products and consumer products are very different and subject to different terms. Please do not consider them as the same thing. (I really think that Google should name Google Cloud something else under Alphabe…

Nothing lives forever even for AWS/Azure. Maybe not forever, but some things do live for a very long time. Amazon SimpleDB has been deprecated for over 5 years and Amazon works hard to discourage people from using it in any new applications... but it's still available and will continue to be available for the foreseeable future.

And if you have a really old account you can still use an instance outside of a VPC. I’ve never heard of any service that AWS has just outright abandoned.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by skj »

arctux wrote: post #41
jkaplowitz wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Maps Platform is a part of Google Cloud, but not a part of Google Cloud Platform, despite now integrating with Google Cloud Platform's web console for purposes of managing billing and API keys. Yes, this is a branding and communication mess, but nevertheless true.

You seem to be correct. > Google Maps Platform is a part of Google Cloud, but not a part of Google Cloud Platform I have never felt that I have been confused by something so justifiably.

(googler working in gcp here)

The basic way to tell if something is part of GCP or another Google product that some marketing whiz managed to have "cloud" tacked onto the name is whether or not you need a GCP project to work with it.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by testb »

partiallypro wrote: post #17
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #15

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What data do you have to support this? Just saying the UI is superior doesn't really mean anything. What is superior? Why? I'm honestly interested in knowing and not just being "that guy".

In the same manner that you can reply and say it's "sluggish" and "confusing." You can deploy something in Azure using the UI far faster than you can deploy on GCS or AWS using strictly UI. In GCS, especially, it's hard to even tell where you even are or where to go back to where you were just seconds ago. They turned their new API dashboard to match the GCS dashboard too and it's basically impossible to find anythin…

For dashboards, they're all equally terrible IMO and break numerous web patterns (middle click to open in new tab).

But every time I deploy a new AKS services, it takes 30 min for it to be ready. I luckily haven't had to do this recently (~4 months?) and I'm loathe to try again. GKE on the other hand is within 2 minutes.

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