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Corbyn wants Brexit to happen he’ll whip Labour into passing it.
Thats interesting do you have a reference for that? There is a lot said about Jeremy Corbyn and I've noticed that a lot of the mainstream media (even left-wing like the Guardian) are very against him and have been vocal about everything he stands for, which I find interesting. This article, https://www.politico.eu/article/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-referen... from 2016 says that he thought at that time we should stay in EU…
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Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does prohibit them among the 28 member countries. They call it free movement. Each of those country's immigration policies is a loophole for the other 27. It's a loss of border sovereignty.
You are aware that the enlargement of the EU allowed existing countries to restrict migration from new countries, and that the UK government explicitly decided not to? You are also aware that the EU specifically allows to limit the freedom of movement on "grounds of public policy, public security or public health"? You are also aware that the recent migrant crisis of the past few years has caused these kinds of barri…
I'm talking about long term impact, not emergency measures. Everything you've mentioned is an emergency measure AFAICT.
For comparison, the impact of banning the printing presses only materialised quite a lot later than it happened. Remember that Europe used to be a lot of independent (and feuding) nations, rather than a union of any sort. There were unions of sorts under the Catholic and Orthodox churches, but England for instance was not part of those unions. it was in those times that Europe went through the scientific and industrial revolutions, while the empires I mentioned slowly stagnated.
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
#43Irish foreign minister said the negotiations are still ongoing: https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1062386105713131521
That's why it's a draft... 5 months before deadline...
The agreement has to be ratified by EP and 28 national parliaments though, so realistically it's much less than 5 months.
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You are talking nonsense. The UK has (and always has had) complete exemption from EU common immigration policy. The EU is not able to dictate immigration controls to the UK. If you have a problem with how the UK handles non-EU immigration then it is the fault of UK government policy, not the EU. The complete exception from common immigration policy of the UK (along with Ireland and in some matters Denmark) is laid ou…
Really? Because "freedom of movement" seems to be the sticking point in the Brexit negotiations. The UK can't go the Norway route because it doesn't want "free movement" into its territory.
I'm referring to common immigration policy, i.e. from outside the EU into the EU. This is distinct from freedom-of-movement for EU citizens within the EU. Such freedom-of-movement does not apply to non-EU citizens.
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He already has caused more harm than good to the Labour Party over his stance on Brexit. He’s been a Euroskeptic since the 70’s he sees the EU as a neoliberal capitalistic endeavor which stands against everything he stands for. Over the past 2 years now he showed no opposition to Brexit which goes against the wishes of his party members and their constituents and against the ideals of being an opposition party. I rea…
> he showed he is incapable of letting his own ideals take the backseat to the will of the party A trait that has garnered him many followers.
Fewer and fewer every day. Like Trump, Corbyn has a hard-core minority that will back him no matter what, but his support within the general party diminishes every time a new poll comes out and his popularity within the general electorate is currently down in the rubbish levels enjoyed by our sad PM. He may currently be seen as the lesser of two evils, but not by much.
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does prohibit them among the 28 member countries. They call it free movement. Each of those country's immigration policies is a loophole for the other 27. It's a loss of border sovereignty.
No, you are arguing in bad faith (or ignorance). British immigration policy is British immigration policy because as per European law it has mechanisms to prevent benefit immigration that is isn’t exercising https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:... The fact is successive governments have rightly identified that both skilled and cheap labour from immigration is keeping our economy afloat. Otherw…
The EU Commission's position, if I remember correctly, is that all those mechanisms cease to apply as soon as the person gets so much as one temporary job of any length within the country they're moving to and that the host country must give them full benefits entitlement from that point forward.
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? Because "freedom of movement" seems to be the sticking point in the Brexit negotiations. The UK can't go the Norway route because it doesn't want "free movement" into its territory.
I'm referring to common immigration policy, i.e. from outside the EU into the EU. This is distinct from freedom-of-movement for EU citizens within the EU. Such freedom-of-movement does not apply to non-EU citizens.
A person from country C can immigrate into the UK by immigrating into one of 27 different other countries, and then using free movement to get into the UK. This makes border control harder.
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Labour’s position should be to oppose Brexit and to remain or rejoin, that is not however Corbyn’s position it never was and for the past 2 years he showed that he is not fit as a leader because he can’t bend his ideals to the will of his party. Corbyn wants socialism, he want to nationalize the industries he wants to get rid of the neoliberal keynesian economics which the EU and every other social democracy in Europ…
Labour is a socialist worker's party. The LibDems exist. Why don't you join them? Why do you want to disenfranchise the socialists and take over the party?
I would probably guess that this would be because according to recent polling the vast majority of the members of this socialist worker's party actually support a people's vote. Is commissar Corbyn the only one that gets a vote?
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Do you expect May to resign if it doesn't pass? NB I have no idea what is going to happen over the next while.
I don’t see how she can stay in her position, but then I’ve been so baffled by what’s happened lately that anything’s now possible. You’re not alone, FWIW. I’m pretty sure literally nobody knows how this is going to play out.
I'm genuinely surprised she's hung on as long as she has. We're going through a very strange period in politics.
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> If Britain stays in the European Union, then it won't have a lot of power to manage her borders. The "liberalness" of Britain's immigration policy ends up being at minimum the liberalness of each of the other 27 EU countries. Germany could let in 1 million immigrants (good for them), all of them would get citizenship, all of them can go to the UK, the UK can't say to any of them "Hold on a minute. Are you even a fi…
As soon as one is a EU citizen, they can move anywhere they want, without any restrictions, because these restrictions apply to immigrants only - as soon as one is a citizen, they are no longer immigrants. EU is different in this regard to the USA.
This is not true. In the EU there is a freedom of movement of workers. EU citizens from another member state need to either have an employment contract or they can be told to leave the country after six months of stay.