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Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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Also, Bezos’s interests in Blue Origin and the Washington Post. Oh, and he has a mansion in DC: https://www.washingtonian.com/2018/04/22/inside-jeff-bezos-d...

Or it could be that AWS contract for the Pentagon... literally across the street (highway) from Crystal City (Pentagon City).

OR...Bezos’s interests in Blue Origin and the Washington Post

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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> "The company may be having similar discussions with other finalists." The article sounds very speculative. I don't know anything about this place, but if it's expensive like people here say it is, then I don't see the point of Amazon moving there. I think a place like downtown Chicago would make more sense. (if only the winter was not as cold and better public schools...)

Why not Detroit? They could remodernize Detroit in a massively good way.

Same weather, even worse schools, way less infrastructure, almost no public transportation, the Chicago area has over twice the population to draw employees from

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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> "The company may be having similar discussions with other finalists." The article sounds very speculative. I don't know anything about this place, but if it's expensive like people here say it is, then I don't see the point of Amazon moving there. I think a place like downtown Chicago would make more sense. (if only the winter was not as cold and better public schools...)

Chicago has a lot of "natural" advantages, but the governments of Chicago and Illinois are too dysfunctional to put together a competitive bid.

Not too familiar with that, but from what I read they took it pretty seriously and offered some nice tax benefits. They also offered a location in south loop, which is a really nice area of downtown Chicago and still very affordable. It's also a short ride on the train to Midway airpot (not an international airpot like O'hare but much nicer to travel from and to). It's also very close to 3 universities.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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That’s sounds worse than it is. I think a better phrasing would be “read as much information as you can, and then sleep on it and go with the first option your subconscious tells you to go with”. Or gut, or instinct or ‘feel’. Informed intuition is a wonderful thing.

I think that's exactly backwards. I think you review data to use your intuition to form the hypothesis or question, and then look for empirical data to try to falsify it. Putting intuition at the end of the decision making process is a pretty solid way to screw the entire thing up.

Falsification is part of the data review - the first step is always to eliminate solutions that obviously ie provably won’t work. The decision making process, both for Amazon HQ is inherently subjective / has too many dimensions to make an objective decision.

i.e. the process is for selecting out of the final 20, that have been fully vetted and feasibility established.

Or for deciding among three finalist engineers who’ve passed all interviews and tests and you can only hire one.

Or schools or colleges or whatever.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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How's the public transit there? I was under the impression that this was a major piece of the puzzle for HQ2.

metro is somewhere between "incompetence that leads to dead passengers"[1], "shit's on fire, yo"[2] and "meh". Lately the biggest scandal is they turn down ads for the ACLU in favor of Northrup Grumman. In any event it's generally minimally acceptable at best. Dumping a ton of people onto it will not help matters. [1] https://www.aboutlawsuits.com/dc-metro-crash-lawsuit-filed-4... [2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/feat…

It's super fashionable to bash Metro, but the system today carries over 600,000 riders per day, and that's about a 20-year low. The system is in a hole of deferred maintenance, but attacking it pretty aggressively.

I ride Metro every week day (bus + train) and look: I'm still alive! And on time almost every day. I much prefer it to driving.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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Crystal City really has so much going for it: 1. As you point out, right next to Pentagon and federal government. 2. Good transportation: right on the Metro and literally across the street from National Airport. 3. If you're going to have 2 headquarters, having them be on opposite coasts makes sense. 4. And I think another one that is pretty unique to Crystal City is that Amazon and their employees definitely want to…

And to its credit, Crystal City is actually pretty rad. It’s full of highly educated people who can’t say where they work or what they do. But they do have good taste in restaurants.

My biggest complaint about crystal city is that the restaurants are pretty bad. One one's above the Crystal City Shops are mostly chains you find wherever business hotels. And the ones on 23rd street are just mostly bad.

If I were going to work in HQ2, I'd live in Del Ray, though its more single-family focused. But it has some nice local restaurants.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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Seems like an admission that they have nothing new to do so they are seeking growth through federal contracts. Northern VA is the poster child of what happens when you have tons of growth over decades, but absolutely no planning, or worse, lots of nimby preventing infrastructure.

Arlington, VA probably did the best job of any post-WWII high growth city in America. The orange line corridor is actually urbanizing what was once pure suburbia. Crystal City/Pentagon city is built pretty densely and has space for even more high rise buildings.

Every other city in America that grew post wwII would have just built strip malls and single-family homes.

There are new high rises going up in Crystal city even as rents stagnated. Can't be too much nimby stuff going on.

Compared to say, silicon valley, they did a good job.

Loudon County did a bad job. Fairfax did a mixed job. They definitely grew in some places--like Tysons, but other parts have just grown without planning.

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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> "The company may be having similar discussions with other finalists." The article sounds very speculative. I don't know anything about this place, but if it's expensive like people here say it is, then I don't see the point of Amazon moving there. I think a place like downtown Chicago would make more sense. (if only the winter was not as cold and better public schools...)

Why not Detroit? They could remodernize Detroit in a massively good way.

Amazon is not interested in altruistically revitalizing a once great city. They want to make money and will make their choice solely based on that factor (although there is certainly some nuance that goes into that decision - talent aquisition, politics, etc).

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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As though it's a binary choice. Washington DC metro, or the boonies.

I'd love to know which major U.S. city does not have terrible traffic near its downtown.

I don't know what you consider major but I've never had issues in Milwaukee

Re: Amazon HQ2: Advanced talks about second headquarters in Northern Virginia

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As though it's a binary choice. Washington DC metro, or the boonies.

I'd love to know which major U.S. city does not have terrible traffic near its downtown.

I didn't think Seattle traffic was very bad.
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