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Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires who built their companies on risky debt financing, and they both have narcissistic traits and an apparent "god complex," as well as difficulty accepting criticism.

Both victims of the twitter manipulation machine.

Who are the supposed victims? Elon and Trump?

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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I'm tired of having Elon Musk in my life. I like his initiatives, but Im very tired of him.

Elon's been a counter-balance to the insanity that is Trump, for me at least.

At 50:00 Elon agrees that Trump's "Space Force" is a good idea.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Kara Swisher is a terrible interviewer. She was terrible here [1], and she was terrible in this interview. You have an hour with Elon Musk and you ask what BFR means again (knowing the answer) and don't know that they attempt to catch fairings? Why does she always look like she did not do her research? Why do I never learn anything new if she interviews? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsixsRI-Sz4

I don't know if she was trying to act naive to relate to a common denominator audience or just was clueless and did not do her research.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Self made is a stretch but he definitely earned billions from risky debt financing. Musk doesn't like media that disagrees with him, just look at what he said in this interview about the WSJ article. Both Musk and Trump are great at playing to what their base wants and have made themselves look like heroes to their supporters.

Self-made is a stretch for whom? Trump, definitely it's a stretch. Elon isn't a stretch to say he's a self-made billionaire. Likewise, risk is relative - it depends on if the people with the money find it too risky to invest or not, so clearly they didn't think it was too risky, nor did Elon for him to be willing to take it. Re: Interview - I didn't watch the interview, what are you referencing that he referenced in…

"Funding secured." It wasn't.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-wit...

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Self-made is a stretch for whom? Trump, definitely it's a stretch. Elon isn't a stretch to say he's a self-made billionaire. Likewise, risk is relative - it depends on if the people with the money find it too risky to invest or not, so clearly they didn't think it was too risky, nor did Elon for him to be willing to take it. Re: Interview - I didn't watch the interview, what are you referencing that he referenced in…

"Funding secured." It wasn't. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-wit...

First, nothing was proven - it wasn't proven a lie - them (Elon and company) not admitting to guilt and SEC making allegations isn't the same thing as a proven lie, and that puts a lot of doubt as to whether that could be considered a lie, or if the SEC could even prove it; essentially there would have been some short sellers that were pissed and putting pressure on the SEC, so the SEC responded and then both sides settled quickly - because $40mm is relatively nothing (it's like a $40 parking ticket for most of us) and likely not worth their or their attorneys' time and attention.

Question for you. Do you have good credit where you could go to a bank and get a credit card, if you don't already have one? That bank would have access to your credit score, and you probably know based on your credit score what amount of credit you'd be able to secure, right? I could have used a different word than secure, however secure fits for this example. It's reasonable to believe similarly that the people who he had spoken to multiple times (and who we know have the available capital to invest) - who he trusted and whom trusted him - could have said they would provide whatever money necessary to take Tesla private. There's no proof contrary to that - and if there was proof of this then the SEC could have extracted a shitload more money than $40mm for the losses some short sellers would have had. Or we could just reference an article that doesn't have any proof (even though you're referencing it as proof) and pretend it's proof. So, so far you're not shown Elon has lied at all - and it's probably safe to say Trump lies daily about something - or more safely to say 90% of days he lies.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Elon's been a counter-balance to the insanity that is Trump, for me at least.

At 50:00 Elon agrees that Trump's "Space Force" is a good idea.

Trump isn't the first person to talk about having a military presence in space, that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on. And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad actors who may use space as an attack vector; safety and security is clearly a concern of Elon's especially when it comes to the potential that AI has for devastating humanity.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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At 50:00 Elon agrees that Trump's "Space Force" is a good idea.

Trump isn't the first person to talk about having a military presence in space, that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on. And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad acto…

>that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on

Sputnik inspired NACA to transition to NASA out of fear.

>And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad actors who may use space as an attack vector; safety and security is clearly a concern of Elon's especially when it comes to the potential that AI has for devastating humanity.

Elon thinks it's a good idea because he likes subsidies. A "Space Invasion" doesn't make sense. A "Space Army" doesn't make sense. "Coastal Defense" doesn't make sense. ICBM missiles changed the entire meaning of war and defense.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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He's just a pretty no-nonsense individual. Bureaucracy, and coded ways of doing things, seem to be irresistible to many. He types some words into a phone, presses an enter key, and a decent subset of the world loses their minds. Golly gosh. If I were him, I'd be doing it for the amusement factor alone.

He's the CEO of one of the most valuable car companies and the words he speaks affect those trading on that information. Saying whatever he wants for entertainment is horribly irresponsible when his words have financial consequences for real people. The "funding secured" tweet wasn't harmless, it was a lie that gave a false valuation basis for Tesla at $420. If he was just an employee or outsider that wouldn't matter…

>The "funding secured" tweet wasn't harmless, it was a lie that gave a false valuation basis for Tesla at $420.

If you make a snap financial judgement based on a single tweet, you deserve to lose money.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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He's the CEO of one of the most valuable car companies and the words he speaks affect those trading on that information. Saying whatever he wants for entertainment is horribly irresponsible when his words have financial consequences for real people. The "funding secured" tweet wasn't harmless, it was a lie that gave a false valuation basis for Tesla at $420. If he was just an employee or outsider that wouldn't matter…

>The "funding secured" tweet wasn't harmless, it was a lie that gave a false valuation basis for Tesla at $420. If you make a snap financial judgement based on a single tweet, you deserve to lose money.

Tesla explicitly declared in their official filings that Elon twitter is a source of material news about Tesla Inc.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Trump isn't the first person to talk about having a military presence in space, that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on. And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad acto…

>that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on Sputnik inspired NACA to transition to NASA out of fear. >And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad actors who may use space a…

Having the ability to quickly knockout a potential bad actor's communication satellites etc certainly makes sense. Having the ability to launch satellites into space 10x faster and a larger quantity could be an advantage, if it came to that - whether launching unknown space-to-surface weapons or for countering attack vectors a bad actor has or is launching into space.

Re: Subsidies - As I said, Elon obviously has a bias, and the government isn't shy of subsidizing many industries and infrastructure. Likewise, if I or you want to use anecdotes as argument points, why not just saw war and fear doesn't make sense - so we shouldn't do anything proactively in the name of defense/protection?

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