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Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?

If you can provide scientific proof that it didnt happen, yes. Otherwise no

You can't do that, it's impossible.

You'd have to go with something like "show that the massive decline in the Jewish population of Nazi Germany was by means other than genocide".

Which is also impossible, but due to truth instead of poor epistemology.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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What does it have to do with living in Germany? I live in Berlin and we have the most vibrant community of privacy, security etc I've ever seen.

I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over what they are supposed to replace.

There is no right to free speech on Facebook. That amendment applies only to the government. A surprising number of people seem to forget that.

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How does Diaspora compare to Mastodon? My naive impression is that Mastodon is a decentralized Twitter clone and Diaspora tries to be a nonprofit Facebook. Is that correct?

Just checked out Mastodon and I didn't feel compelled to sign up.

I am sure it is fine but the network effect is lacking, it is not as if I need to go on there for any reason, don't know anyone on there.

What I was surprised at was that there was no blockchain nonsense going on with it, lurking away in the footer. That really would have turned me off it.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?

Which country in the EU? Free Speech, in the USAmerican sense, seems to be strongly curtailed in the UK.

The Netherlands. And in what way is US freedom of speech with puritan censoring of anything sex related better than a system in which we prohibit something like holocaust denial? (something that actually hurts people, as opposed to someone's nipples)

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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And where would you propose as an alternative, in terms of better rights to free speech than europe? Surely not the US? Right?

As a non-US and non-EU person, I can confidently say that the US has better free speech laws than anywhere else on this planet. I am open to being educated on this though.

The US only ranks 45th place on the Freedom of Press Index for instance, so it appears there are actually quite a few things not even the press is allowed to write about, much less your ordinary person.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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post #7

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I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over what they are supposed to replace.

There is no right to free speech on Facebook. That amendment applies only to the government . A surprising number of people seem to forget that.

True, but get a few bots involved in speech snd watch people want it regulated by government.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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How does Diaspora compare to Mastodon? My naive impression is that Mastodon is a decentralized Twitter clone and Diaspora tries to be a nonprofit Facebook. Is that correct?

Just checked out Mastodon and I didn't feel compelled to sign up. I am sure it is fine but the network effect is lacking, it is not as if I need to go on there for any reason, don't know anyone on there. What I was surprised at was that there was no blockchain nonsense going on with it, lurking away in the footer. That really would have turned me off it.

Unless I'm mistaken, I think Mastodon predates the recent blockchain fad.

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Europe has a conditional right to free expression which is balanced with other rights: "Article 10 – Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadca…

> for the protection of morals that's the bit I don't agree with. it leaves room for a lot of interpretation. there was a woman in Austria who was fined for saying that mohamed was a child rapist (which you could argue it is true given that he slept with underaged girls). I don't agree to people being fined if they say something about Mohamed or God. That is not free speech IMO.

There we agree. I think freedom of speech should fully cover anything religion related because religion is by definition not provable.

Re: Diaspora: Hello and a big welcome to everyone arriving from Google+

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“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?

Which country in the EU? Free Speech, in the USAmerican sense, seems to be strongly curtailed in the UK.

Responding to the sibling re: censoring pornography. The 1st amendment prevents the government from interfering with the free exchange of ideas (among other things). We generally believe that letting the government regulate this kind of thing is a dangerous slippery slope.

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I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over what they are supposed to replace.

“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?

In greece you are not allowed to criticise the president, nor are you allowed to insult the church. In germany it was illegal (not sure if it still is) to publish games that had nazi imaginary (such as wolfenstein). In the UK and France you are not allowed to produce certain pornographic drawings. To me these restrictions show that in the EU there is no free speech.
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