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Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by shiftpgdn »

jcranmer wrote: post #27
shiftpgdn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the state should take responsibility and realize that poorly maintained and marked roads lead to accidents that cause injury, including death. The Model X that hit the barriers in the Bay Area would not have happened if A. Lane marker painting had been kept under maintenance. They were mostly missing. B. The crash barrier had been in place, instead it was missing from an earlier crash. The missing arresting sys…

Sure, there is some amount of fault for the system needing more maintenance. But road conditions are often going to be far from perfect, and that crash is certainly not atypical conditions. Either California can shut down the entire highway for a week until they replace the crash barrier, or Tesla can build their self-driving cars to be able to recognize only moderately faded white lines.

That's my point. A human driver had hit those barriers just ten days prior. If there is a part of the road people are driving into constantly maybe we should look at road design over drivers.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by tardo99 »

aerovistae wrote: post #11

I'd be more impressed by this if they had fixed the problem where the car crashes into barriers at lane divergences. Kind of a turn-off to the whole thing until that's fixed, to be honest. Frankly I don't understand how the company hasn't been buried in lawsuits for this. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9pkvy0/psa_v9_...

I watched the video. My Nissan has lane-keeping and it does exactly the same thing as in this video. My impression is it's because it follows the left lane line when it's not sure.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by olivermarks »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #18
amluto wrote: post #8

> Navigate on Autopilot can be customized to a driver’s preferences, including four settings for speed-based lane changes (Disabled, Mild, Average, or Mad Max). Mad Max is definitely a feature I want self-driving cars to have.

I agree, but to give Elon the benefit of the doubt for a moment, labeling it "Mad Max" may actually discourage people from setting their car to it (as people often perceive themselves to not be reckless), whereas labeling that setting something like "Often" may lead to it being selected more frequently. Of course, this can also backfire if people select "Mad Max" because it's the only one with a funny label.

Honestly I'm baffled by how Musk/Tesla get away with all their branded self-driving-but-you-must-always-be-in control messaging and jokey terminology like Mad Max mode etc.

Given how aggressively US DoT enforces safety regulations for vehicles you would have thought there would have been far more pushback, not just on truth in advertising but more importantly road safety for both SD vehicles and the people around them.

Presumably the bureaucrats are asleep and not paying attention, so there is no formal adherence to the levels of self driving that everyone except regulators seem to regularly quote (Toyota et al) https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2017/05/25/...

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by dawnerd »

tardo99 wrote: post #42
aerovistae wrote: post #11

I'd be more impressed by this if they had fixed the problem where the car crashes into barriers at lane divergences. Kind of a turn-off to the whole thing until that's fixed, to be honest. Frankly I don't understand how the company hasn't been buried in lawsuits for this. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9pkvy0/psa_v9_...

I watched the video. My Nissan has lane-keeping and it does exactly the same thing as in this video. My impression is it's because it follows the left lane line when it's not sure.

Same in VWs that have lane assist. Tesla just figures out how to rebrand lane assist. No reason the other auto companies couldn’t remove the distance limitation on lane assist and the it up to their nav system.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by nathantotten »

stephengillie wrote: post #32
nathantotten wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No kidding. This does not inspire confidence. v9 already does weird things like show stopped cars bouncing around randomly. This kind of thing along with crazy branding really makes it feel unsafe. It’s one thing that the stereo goes to 11, that’s funny. But I’m not going to die if the stereo has a bug.

The stereo only goes to 11? The stereo in my previous car went to 60. What's with all the pop culture references in this car? Is this the Ready Tesla One trim package?

There isn’t any relationship between your car’s 60 and Tesla’s 11. Tesla’s volume has more than 11 unique volume settings.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/reason-why-radio-goes-...

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by stephengillie »

nathantotten wrote: post #45
stephengillie wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stereo only goes to 11? The stereo in my previous car went to 60. What's with all the pop culture references in this car? Is this the Ready Tesla One trim package?

There isn’t any relationship between your car’s 60 and Tesla’s 11. Tesla’s volume has more than 11 unique volume settings. https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/reason-why-radio-goes-...

The linked forum post doesn't have any more information than your post, other than confirming the pop culture reference.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by kurthr »

dkoston wrote: post #26
rohit2412 wrote: post #23

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> All self driving cars and driver assistance tools will be imperfect. The question is whether or not they are statistically safer than the average human I disagree. If you're arguiung for driverless cars, the comparison should be with the average driver aided by a driver assistance system.

I don’t understand what you disagree with. I’m not arguing for or against driverless cars. I’m saying that our basis right now is whether or not driver assistance systems are making driving safer or less safe. Driverless cars are currently only used in specific areas under tight regulation. They are not generally available and this article is about Teslas which are not self-driving, they have driver assistance featur…

Exactly, the worst driver is you, when frustrated, distracted, or bored. Driver assistance means that stop&go traffic or long stretches of interstate can be made more tolerable and safe. It means rubber necking as you pass that accident on the other side of a barrier won't cause another accident on your side.

Of course reliance on this breeds complacency and allows longer commutes, but so do automatic transmissions, straight tracking wheel alignment, or cruise control. Maybe we would all drive more safely if there were giant spikes that killed us instantly rather than airbags, but we aren't going back... and hopefully one day (before I need it) we'll have true self driving.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by dkoston »

rohit2412 wrote: post #40
dkoston wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what you disagree with. I’m not arguing for or against driverless cars. I’m saying that our basis right now is whether or not driver assistance systems are making driving safer or less safe. Driverless cars are currently only used in specific areas under tight regulation. They are not generally available and this article is about Teslas which are not self-driving, they have driver assistance featur…

Sure then I agree with you. I want to make clear the difference between driverless and autonomous/self-driving/assistance. The difference is frequently muddled by Tesla and Elon musk with false marketing.

I totally agree that the marketing hype is ramped to the maximum. This is a result of the abysmal lack of consumer protection in US advertising laws. A large portion of advertising in the states is making overblown promises and unfortunately that is the standard. Tesla is not an outlier when it comes to over hyping their products.

Unfortunately so. I really wish advertisers were held to higher standards

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by dkoston »

kurthr wrote: post #47
dkoston wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what you disagree with. I’m not arguing for or against driverless cars. I’m saying that our basis right now is whether or not driver assistance systems are making driving safer or less safe. Driverless cars are currently only used in specific areas under tight regulation. They are not generally available and this article is about Teslas which are not self-driving, they have driver assistance featur…

Exactly, the worst driver is you, when frustrated, distracted, or bored. Driver assistance means that stop&go traffic or long stretches of interstate can be made more tolerable and safe. It means rubber necking as you pass that accident on the other side of a barrier won't cause another accident on your side. Of course reliance on this breeds complacency and allows longer commutes, but so do automatic transmissions,…

Yea, it is frustrating that these driver assistance technologies aren’t self driving. It’s also frustrating that they are over hyped.

At the moment, they are really good in certain situations (stop and go traffic, highways that are maintained properly and designed really well, roads without a lot of high speed curves, etc)

They won’t add value to many commutes but they add tremendous value to others.

Like all products, they are definitely not one size fits all

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by MBCook »

tardo99 wrote: post #42
aerovistae wrote: post #11

I'd be more impressed by this if they had fixed the problem where the car crashes into barriers at lane divergences. Kind of a turn-off to the whole thing until that's fixed, to be honest. Frankly I don't understand how the company hasn't been buried in lawsuits for this. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9pkvy0/psa_v9_...

I watched the video. My Nissan has lane-keeping and it does exactly the same thing as in this video. My impression is it's because it follows the left lane line when it's not sure.

My Honda would interpret it as the lane getting wider and try to stay in the middle of that new wide ‘lane’.

I’ve noticed that behavior when there is a turn off on the highway that isn’t marked off. The car will start to drift to the right (to stay in the “middle”) if you don’t kee i’ve noticed that behavior win there is a turn off on Highway that isn’t marked off. The car will start to drift to the right (to stay in the “middle“) if you don’t intervene. I imagine if I kept going it would then decided it was outside the lane (after turnoff was passed) and yell at me.

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