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How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by m_mueller »

etymacct123 wrote: post #14

not just curry but soup is also indian! of course completely denied by the west so far soup is from sanskrit supa attested in arthashastra of kautilya dated to 1st millennium BC by westerners and 2nd millennium BC by indians see link for specific quote from the text: http://www.alexmthomas.com/2016/05/22/a-review-of-trautmanns...

You're aware that both European languages and Sanskrit have a common ancestor, Proto-Indo-European? That's how you find identical wordstems like "Pa" for father in both (if I remember the example correctly). Something as basic as soup would be easy to imagine going back to PIE no?

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by etymacct123 »

m_mueller wrote: post #41
etymacct123 wrote: post #14

not just curry but soup is also indian! of course completely denied by the west so far soup is from sanskrit supa attested in arthashastra of kautilya dated to 1st millennium BC by westerners and 2nd millennium BC by indians see link for specific quote from the text: http://www.alexmthomas.com/2016/05/22/a-review-of-trautmanns...

You're aware that both European languages and Sanskrit have a common ancestor, Proto-Indo-European? That's how you find identical wordstems like "Pa" for father in both (if I remember the example correctly). Something as basic as soup would be easy to imagine going back to PIE no?

of course but PIE is an imagined language with an imaginary date of 2500 BC

lack of any attestation kills all PIE claims

whereas sanskrit is a solidly real language with a lot of evidence that it dates back to 4th millennium BC or even much further back for the rg veda

evidence that is vociferously ignored or censored in the west for various reasons

so the tactic of making sanskrit a daughter language of PIE is not accepted

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by stubish »

escherplex wrote: post #20
lgessler wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW online etymologies seem to suggest this description isn't totally off, but I agree the bit about it not having a history is transparently wrong. Etymonline[1]: > kind of sauce or relish much used in Indian cookery, from the leaves of a southwest Asian plant related to the lemon, 1680s, from Tamil (Dravidian) kari "sauce, relish for rice," also "a bite, bit, morsel." As "meat or vegetable stew flavored with curry…

Interesting that a synonym for கறி is தேய் which google-tamil translates as either curry or chafe the later meaning to warm by rubbing which then may be an attempt to curry favor with someone :)

If you curry a horse, you are (generally) not cooking it but brushing it with a curry comb (the chafe or rubbing meaning). This would be where 'currying favor' comes from, since horses tend to like being curried.

If Google Translate is machine learned for Tamil->English, I suspect it is just confused.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by nilsocket »

psergeant wrote: post #40
etymacct123 wrote: post #14

not just curry but soup is also indian! of course completely denied by the west so far soup is from sanskrit supa attested in arthashastra of kautilya dated to 1st millennium BC by westerners and 2nd millennium BC by indians see link for specific quote from the text: http://www.alexmthomas.com/2016/05/22/a-review-of-trautmanns...

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If you have some problem, mention it.

Don't pick up things from some where and say related.

There were always some people who talk rubbish, there is no need for you to take the job of spreading it.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by Retric »

malloryerik wrote: post #38
rangibaby wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the Japanese had to change their military symbols for that reason, every country in the world would. Even Germany still uses the iron cross as the symbol of their air force.

I don't see why every country would have to change their symbol. Yes, all countries have guilt in their pasts, as do all people, but Imperial Japan was a fascist regime that killed 50 million often with horrific brutality. And let's remember, it's just a war flag, you can change it with the stroke of a pen. The flag won't care. The Self Defense Forces won't start to suck, and the neighbors will have one less reason t…

Flags gain meaning over time. It does not care but people do.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by adrianN »

sandGorgon wrote: post #39

I think curry is a adopted food in most cold countries and a native dish in hot, humid countries. A thick stew with tons of spices and salt is basically a food preservation mechanism - especially for vegetables and meat which would spoil quickly. Similarly, the origin of baked bread - cold countries had a stove for heating the home. someone figured out how to use it as an oven. Most hot countries use fried bread or r…

Preparing food in an oven or the very similar cooking pit has been popular in civilizations around the world. The difference to cold climates is that you keep the oven outside the building.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by lawlessone »

rangibaby wrote: post #30
malloryerik wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wish they'd change the Japanese naval flag -- in much of East Asia the Rising Sun Flag is seen as a symbol of oppression and Japanese imperialism, almost as potent as a Nazi swastika. It doesn't do Japan any good to fly the old imperial flag from every Maritime Self Defense Force vessel, even if it was the naval flag since 1889 (by which time Japan already had imperial designs).

If the Japanese had to change their military symbols for that reason, every country in the world would. Even Germany still uses the iron cross as the symbol of their air force.

> Even Germany still uses the iron cross

Yeah they're not using the swastika though are they?

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by C1sc0cat »

temp0876456 wrote: post #27
jgorn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds delicious, I love how much flavour is packed in Thai curry paste. But how can you make a fully cooked curry in 2-3 minutes?

Thai curry is cooked quickly, usually in a wok. Japanese curry, in contrast, is usually simmered for a long time. The latter is to thicken and soften the meat and vegetables. Thai curry’s consistency is managed by using more or less coconut milk vs the actual paste. And the meat and vegetable pieces are cut much smaller so they cook almost instantly.

Depends on the recipe a traditional Rogan Josh should be marinated for 24-48 Hours.

I also tend to do tika in a wok if I am doing a curry then simmer the cocked chicken in the wok to finish it off.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by dwd »

Markoff wrote: post #47

what i took from article for my next cooking: "powder, butter, meat (typically beef), root vegetables, and a sauce thickened with flour." sounds simple enough to try

Super easy.

I would have said chicken rather than beef which is hugely popular in Brisbane at lunch time.

I've done this one a few times: double up on the sauce ingredients so you have plenty of gravy. Also simmer for as long as you can so the carrots and onion pretty well dissolve and you get a thicker sauce. You can also add Mirin and cut back on the honey.

http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/29578/chicken-katsu-curry.asp...

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