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Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by imtringued » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:50 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #22

sametmax wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a world where Gnome doesn't support any proprietary card drivers, where VLC can't read non open codecs, where libre office can't open doc* files... Does that seems like a world where FOSS can be successful in ?

Yep. Particularly with hardware makers that strategy has worked remarkably well. Nvidia is actually the only major hardware company I know of (other than Apple who sorta don't count) who doesn't have a good open source driver. That isn't an ideological position, just all the other majors seem to support linux as a first class citizen across all product categories. There is also a difference between data exchange (cod…

What about ARM GPUs or PowerVR?

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by Cacti » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:53 PM UTC

Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

"Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported."

Uh... how about I just not use your software? I'm not going to replace a couple thousand dollars in GPUs, or even buy a new specific GPU just so I can use your software.

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by red-tea » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:53 PM UTC

I use i3 currently. I might remove the old nvidia card from my box and purge the nvidia drivers from my system. The Intel graphics will be good enough. I run Gentoo but I don't want my graphical stuff to be high maintenance. Can anyone comment on whether it's worth it to move to wayland/sway?

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by glibgil » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:54 PM UTC

Cacti wrote: post #42

Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

"Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." Uh... how about I just not use your software? I'm not going to replace a couple thousand dollars in GPUs, or even buy a new specific GPU just so I can use your software.

This is also acceptable. Please, never use Sway

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by arghwhat » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:56 PM UTC

Cacti wrote: post #42

Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

"Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." Uh... how about I just not use your software? I'm not going to replace a couple thousand dollars in GPUs, or even buy a new specific GPU just so I can use your software.

Your pick. Nvidia are assholes, though, and should not be supported directly at any cost. They need to learn to grow up.

Also, what the hell are you using a couple thousand dollars in consumer nVidia GPUs for on a Linux system?

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:56 PM UTC

red-tea wrote: post #43

I use i3 currently. I might remove the old nvidia card from my box and purge the nvidia drivers from my system. The Intel graphics will be good enough. I run Gentoo but I don't want my graphical stuff to be high maintenance. Can anyone comment on whether it's worth it to move to wayland/sway?

Whether it's worth it depends on the user. Try it, it's free!

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by josefx » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

trulyrandom wrote: post #23

ratsimihah wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that exactly mean for Nvidia GPU users?

It means that you can't use sway (or any other compositor based on wlroots) with the proprietary nvidia driver. Instead, you should use the nouveau driver.

My experiences with nouveau have been anything but stable. I don't know why people would recommend alpha quality software over alternatives.

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by Cacti » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #25

rusticpenn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, IT puts me in a wierd situation as I need nvidia for machine learning related stuff, and I would love to move from i3 to sway...

Can you get a cheap Radeon as a display card?

Why would anyone go out, buy a new Radeon, install it in their computers (assuming there is room, which in ML cases is not always true), and reconfigure any drivers and all the other hassle, just to use a window manager? That's assuming such a thing is even possible (e.g. work restrictions).

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by naibafo » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

rusticpenn wrote: post #6

Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

Yes, IT puts me in a wierd situation as I need nvidia for machine learning related stuff, and I would love to move from i3 to sway...

I have an integrated intel card in my notebook, and an extra nvidia card that I use with proprietary driver and bumblebee.

That works great with sway

Re: Sway: i3-compatible Wayland compositor – 1.0-beta.1 released

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Post by arghwhat » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 1:58 PM UTC

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #16

Majestic121 wrote: post #3

"Experimental Nvidia support has been deprecated since its inception, and has now been removed entirely. Please use nouveau and consider future purchases from GPU vendors that support open source. Other proprietary drivers are also unsupported." How is nouveau doing this days compared to the proprietary drivers of NVidia ?

Sway/wlroots maintainer here. The older the card, the better the support. If you're not gaming and you have a 9xx or older card, you should have pretty decent support for a workstation type of deal. If you get as old as 7xx or 6xx you start to have games getting playable.

Although note that recent Intel HD should outperform those cards, with much better power efficiency.

For newer cards, nouveau can be a quite sad experience due to nvidia not only making a mess of their own driver, but actively handicapping development of nouveau.