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It also appears they have removed the option for purchasing the "Full Self Driving" functionality.
White paint is now $2k instead of $1500
White interior is now $1k instead of $1500
Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…
It also appears they have removed the option for purchasing the "Full Self Driving" functionality.
Quite sensibly. It seemed pretty shady to me to charge customers for a feature that wasn't delivered or legally approved or likely even finished. I suspect they're finding the shipped hardware isn't enough to accomplish what they want with the necessary reliability. Elon has already hinted that shipped 3's will need a computer upgrade to support full self-driving. They are probably wisely backing off on guaranteeing…
It's still available for the Model X and Model S. The disclosure when you pay for it is very clear. They are not acting sketchy when they sell it to you. I'd guess it has more to do with not enough people ordering it, so removing the option streamlines fulfillment.
> I suspect they're finding the shipped hardware isn't enough to accomplish what they want with the necessary reliability.
Yeah they already admitted to this. Anyone who has paid for full self driving is getting a Hardware 3.0 (HW3) upgrade for free. They said full self driving will require HW3.
> Total speculation, but I'd bet a chocolate chip cookie that they'll find they need to make changes to the sensor array as well.
Yeah, as an owner I'm pretty worried that will be the case but I guess we will see. I doubt they will admit to this publicly though - they seem adamant that the sensors today should be sufficient.
$6,000 for auto-pilot? When the sensors are already in all cars? Can I run my own models à la comma.ai?
Do you honestly think the biggest cost associated with this program is the sensors?
It also appears they have removed the option for purchasing the "Full Self Driving" functionality.
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They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy o…
But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). A…
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They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy o…
Numbers are even better in Canada where we have cheap hydro power and tax the shit out of gasoline.
Is electricity in Canada generally cheaper than in the states?
They've probably exhausted RWD demand backlog so I wouldn't be surprised if this was (initially)a software-limited long range battery, so that they can sell their RWD inventory.
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But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). A…
What are the ramifications of never changing the gas in a hybrid like the Volt? Does it “go bad” eventually?
It appears that the Volt will detect the gasoline going bad (or at least, puts it on a timer and then assumes), and forcibly burn it off roughly once a year. Before doing so, it encourages you to use a bit of gas.
To be honest: this is the first link from a search engine. So its not an issue I've looked into very strongly. Nonetheless, it seems like GM has already figured out a procedure for "stale gas" issues.
https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/volt-gas-goes-stale/69063
So it seems to be a timer of some sorts, roughly on the order of ~once a year or so.
EDIT: I found a video on youtube showing the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEe4Rkg4GfA
The author of the video notes that you can drive the Volt just fine. He just had a camera handy and stay'd in his garage in this case however.