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Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by StavrosK »

oulipo wrote: post #35
brian_herman__ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry man your site lost me at the token based app store...

Hi Brian, I understand your concern, we try to have a global view of what it means to bring a private-by-design product to the market And when we consider all this, we are thinking about: - how can we remunerate people who want to share their data - how can we ensure that people can buy apps without leaking information about who they are and what they do - how can we incentivize the creation of an encryption-based ma…

You can do all of this with an already-existing cryptocurrency, though. The only reason to create your own is to cash in on the hype.

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Post by fipple »

wstrange wrote: post #12
yardie wrote: post #6

If your data is not end to end private key encrypted, then you are inviting the government in to look at all your shit; photos, documents, logs, everything.

We tend to view this as a technology problem. The real question: Why do we let governments get away with this kind of behavior? Fighting a technology arms race with the government is a losing battle. They can ask for private keys to be handed over - on threat of jail time if you don't comply. We need to start at the ballot box.

Because surveillance isn’t an issue of left vs right, it’s an issue of predator vs prey, and all of the elected officials are the predators as much as the voters are prey.

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Post by slantyyz »

collias wrote: post #38

I was recently looking for some security cameras for my house. I was considering Nest, but the fact that they are owned by Google makes me a bit weary, privacy-wise. Does anyone have experience with other brands that you might recommend?

I recently installed a Ubiquiti Unifi Video system and am happy with the product so far. It is a walled garden, but it was easy to set up and the NVR software is better than most of the others I've tried.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

oh_sigh wrote: post #39
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lost me at the token based app store Same. Got excited, then saw it's shilling a coin [1]. From a branding perspective, this undoes the goodwill won by the privacy message. [1] https://token.snips.ai

Did you take a moment to understand why they are doing this with a coin, or are you just anti-crypto-coins altogether?

> Did you take a moment to understand why they are doing this with a coin, or are you just anti-crypto-coins altogether?

They're promoting a security [1]. If a company can't bother with the law, I distrust their claims around privacy.

Also, if you're doing on-device AI, you have a natural business model: sell the device. (Maybe also subscriptions.) Adding in a token creates conflicts of interests.

[1] https://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-alerts-and-bulletins/ib_co...

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Post by twinge »

collias wrote: post #38

I was recently looking for some security cameras for my house. I was considering Nest, but the fact that they are owned by Google makes me a bit weary, privacy-wise. Does anyone have experience with other brands that you might recommend?

Ubiquiti's cameras are rock solid, both in terms of hardware and software. And if you don't like their software, the cameras provide a raw RTSP feed you can integrate with other open source alternatives. They're not too hard to hack on (official API docs are lacking but their forums are quite vibrant); I've integrated mine with my OpenHab control/display.

I've got a couple cameras that have been running outdoors for years in rain, snow, and heat. At this point I'm just waiting for them to die so I can finally upgrade to the latest and greatest models.

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Post by neumann »

Reading the article, wtf is a rap crew?

And why do half of these sentences not make sense?

Back in my day, journalism in forbes was still shitty but at least with coherent sentences.

edit: A link in the article does inform me of 'rap crew' "O

n a June day last year, a skinny, dreadlocked 29-year-old rapper known as Tony Da Boss lay in bed in a redbrick apartment on a tree-lined street in Charlotte, North Carolina. It was not the kind of place you’d associate with a million-dollar criminal conspiracy. But Da Boss (real name Damonte Withers) was a leader of the FreeBandz Gang, an amateur hip-hop crew of twentysomethings who were into much more nefarious activities than laying down tracks."

jesus christ. get out of journalism and go write that pulp novel kicking around in your head.

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Post by QuercusMax »

oh_sigh wrote: post #39
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lost me at the token based app store Same. Got excited, then saw it's shilling a coin [1]. From a branding perspective, this undoes the goodwill won by the privacy message. [1] https://token.snips.ai

Did you take a moment to understand why they are doing this with a coin, or are you just anti-crypto-coins altogether?

Care to explain it to us? There's nothing obvious I can see as to why they're using coins, and based on the recent stories about the SEC investigating ICOs, skepticism seems warranted.

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Post by collias »

twinge wrote: post #46
collias wrote: post #38

I was recently looking for some security cameras for my house. I was considering Nest, but the fact that they are owned by Google makes me a bit weary, privacy-wise. Does anyone have experience with other brands that you might recommend?

Ubiquiti's cameras are rock solid, both in terms of hardware and software. And if you don't like their software, the cameras provide a raw RTSP feed you can integrate with other open source alternatives. They're not too hard to hack on (official API docs are lacking but their forums are quite vibrant); I've integrated mine with my OpenHab control/display. I've got a couple cameras that have been running outdoors for…

Interesting! I wasn't aware that Ubiquiti even made cameras. I'll check them out. Thanks!

Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by oh_sigh »

QuercusMax wrote: post #48
oh_sigh wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you take a moment to understand why they are doing this with a coin, or are you just anti-crypto-coins altogether?

Care to explain it to us? There's nothing obvious I can see as to why they're using coins, and based on the recent stories about the SEC investigating ICOs, skepticism seems warranted.

Oh, I don't know, I have just heard of these coins myself. But based on OPs response it is hard to tell if they just dislike cryptocoins altogether, or if they read about the specifics and disliked the specifics of this one cryptocoin.
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