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What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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First off, I haven't studied Maryanne Wolf's neuroscientific research on "deep reading" and its claimed benefits. But, as a person who has read most of the major thick books like Moby Dick, War & Peace, Les Miserables, Middlemarch, Proust, and reading cover-to-cover the old computer books like the 3-ring binders of C Language[1], my lifetime reading experience could offer counterpoint to why "deep reading" seems to b…

For anyone who found the above too long, basically she means that deep reading often wastes too much time and you don’t know ahead of time what to read. She didn’t mention that you can check other shorter sources before you commit to reading, like reading this comment before hers.

>, basically she means that deep reading often wastes too much time

I apologize that you found my text length was too long but I thought the extra background was necessary to state why deep reading is often a waste of time.

If I only state a 1 sentence punchline in my original post, it can seem like a cheap hit-and-run comment and therefore not really engaging with the article's arguments. (Or the extreme brevity would just invite snark such as "you probably don't have deep reading skill". Therefore, a writer's reflex is to defensively preempt that with extra words that try to establish street cred.)

I thought it would be interesting to share that many of us can do "deep reading" and yet we don't bother with the effort -- and that behavior is not a contradiction. Instead, it's an optimization of limited reading time. This tradeoff doesn't seem to be reflected in Maryanne Wolf's research.

>She didn’t mention that you can check other shorter sources before you commit to reading,

I actually did and I specifically used "HN comments" as an example of readers trying to find a tldr summary and why it's a rational strategy.

Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone who found the above too long, basically she means that deep reading often wastes too much time and you don’t know ahead of time what to read. She didn’t mention that you can check other shorter sources before you commit to reading, like reading this comment before hers.

>, basically she means that deep reading often wastes too much time I apologize that you found my text length was too long but I thought the extra background was necessary to state why deep reading is often a waste of time. If I only state a 1 sentence punchline in my original post, it can seem like a cheap hit-and-run comment and therefore not really engaging with the article's arguments. (Or the extreme brevity wou…

> I apologize that you found my text length was too long but I thought the extra background was necessary to get state why deep reading is often a waste of time.

I read @EGreg as poking a bit of fun, rather than raising a legitimate complaint: simultaneously supporting your point, but also gently pushing at the limits of shallow reading.

Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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the average person “consumes about 34 gigabytes across varied devices each day” — some 100,000 words’ worth of information - seems like an odd and misleading statistic.

seems it stems from a study called "How Much Information? 2009 Report on American Consumers" from the management summary : "In 2008, Americans consumed information for about 1.3 trillion hours, an average of almost 12 hours per day. Consumption totaled 3.6 zettabytes and 10,845 trillion words, corresponding to 100,500 words and 34 gigabytes for an average person on an average day. (...) We defined “information” as fl…

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Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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That was a long paragraph, but I agree with the general premise that a lot of books are tripe worse than TV shows and video games, so we shouldn't put them on a pedestal.

> a lot of books are tripe worse than TV shows and video games I've never been a fan of this line of thinking. There are plenty of people who use critical thinking skills and participate in mentally stimulating activities throughout the day. When it's over, they just want to relax. So they watch shows like Family Guy, read basic action novels, or play Grand Theft Auto for an hour or two. Why does everything have to b…

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Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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First off, I haven't studied Maryanne Wolf's neuroscientific research on "deep reading" and its claimed benefits. But, as a person who has read most of the major thick books like Moby Dick, War & Peace, Les Miserables, Middlemarch, Proust, and reading cover-to-cover the old computer books like the 3-ring binders of C Language[1], my lifetime reading experience could offer counterpoint to why "deep reading" seems to b…

This is why many of us go to HN comments first instead of reading the actual article. Now I'm a bit ashamed haha. Anyway, I've read her book, and have to admit that I skim quite a bit. Her writing style is deep and informative, but with a lot of literary allusions. I found my knowledge and life experience is still inadequate to understand everything she wrote. Overall an interesting read though!

I was going to highlight the same exact sentence, and then realized you did it too. Funny, no?

Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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the average person “consumes about 34 gigabytes across varied devices each day” — some 100,000 words’ worth of information - seems like an odd and misleading statistic.

The precise number doesn't really matter. The strongman interpretation is that we just read and skim too much each day.

There is no way we skim _billions_ of words every day, on average. Remember one word every second is about 30 years for a billion, so even at ten words a second, you are still taking about 3 years.

So even assuming almost all of that is video, I will still have to question it -- at 2gb/hr that is constantly watching video for more than 16 hours.

Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>, basically she means that deep reading often wastes too much time I apologize that you found my text length was too long but I thought the extra background was necessary to state why deep reading is often a waste of time. If I only state a 1 sentence punchline in my original post, it can seem like a cheap hit-and-run comment and therefore not really engaging with the article's arguments. (Or the extreme brevity wou…

> I apologize that you found my text length was too long but I thought the extra background was necessary to get state why deep reading is often a waste of time. I read @EGreg as poking a bit of fun, rather than raising a legitimate complaint: simultaneously supporting your point, but also gently pushing at the limits of shallow reading.

We need a digest of HN comments for people don't have time to read the comments about an article regarding people not having time to read everything that they come across

Re: What we lose by reading 100,000 words every day

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the average person “consumes about 34 gigabytes across varied devices each day” — some 100,000 words’ worth of information - seems like an odd and misleading statistic.

Yea, to put it in somewhat manageable terms, War and Peace in plain text is about 3.2mb (Project Gutenberg). I know damn well I am not consuming anywhere near that much daily. Doubt anyone is on a regular basis.

If the 34gb is in terms of the "video" you intake, even just going outside and bird watching or sitting in a park... I guess? Sure? Still, misleading really.

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