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Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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I don't understand this. Kavanaugh hasnt been proven to be guilty. There are credible allegations which demand a further investigation as is being conducted by the FBI. Beyond that apart from his clumsiness at the testimony there isnt much going on against him. If these people are so data driven how come they choose to believe things for which we have no evidence. You may mock him for losing his cool but thats just a…

Ford's testimony appeared credible. However, there is no contemporaneous corroboration, even from her long-time friend who not only didn't corroborate it, she refuted that she had even met Kavanaugh.

Ramirez, Swetnik allegations are not credible. They too have no corroboration.

While I've seen plenty of people decry Rachel Mitchell's letter to the Republican Senators as "political", I have yet to see anyone refute the content of that letter. (https://www.axios.com/brett-kavanaugh-rachel-mitchell-prosec...)

There isn't an honest prosecutor who could get an indictment, let alone a conviction.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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I don’t know much about Kaplan but after this I have respect for him. It couldn’t have been easy to support his friend knowing full well all of Facebook’s employees are going to try to crucify him after.

Someone gets crucified every week there, nbd. Hopefully for Kaplan, they will be distracted by a similarly inane incident soon.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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If the personal is political then we have no refuge from politics. And the only people that say this are the type that want only their specific brands of politics to dominate public and private life.

If you're a persecuted minority you don't get time out from being persecuted. If your school's teachers need food stamps to survive you don't have a 'refuge from politics'. If you get sick and can't afford health care you don't have the luxury of 'avoiding politics'. People's politics have consequences, and they should own them.

No. Living a content life and focusing on your own problems is not political. "The personal is political" is a hyper partisan statement and anyone not on the extreme left would reject this idea wholesale.

What this concept implicitly states is that if you're happy and 100% of the human population is not living at your socioeconomic level, then you're making a political statement. It's pure BS.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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Imagine if every time you wanted to apply for a competitive job you would get rejected simply because some woman claimed that you raped her.

Well, if you don't rape someone, generally that's not something you need to worry about.

Did Kavanaugh rape someone? I don't know. Are you 100% sure that he did? If not, lets assume that he didn't. Your statement is now wrong since he is worrying about that.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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There are probably a good number of Republican voters hired at Facebook. Most of those employees will be supporting Kavanaugh's nomination. There are obviously many Democrat voters employed at Facebook who won't be supporting Kavanaugh. Anyone who finds either of these two facts unacceptable should immediately walk away from their jobs or be terminated. The only alternative is to accept that there is effectively a ci…

I don't think anybody in the tech industry has the balls to come out as a Republican. The backlash would be awful. Thank God votes are secret, still.

Speaking as a non-american: People don't want to come out as Republican because of how corrupt Republican representation has become.

Republicans used to be respectable. There's still a few respectable figures in Congress and the Senate but even they have to follow the abhorrently partisanship, otherwise they aren't getting reelected.

The republican base has turned on its head and has been massively radicalized.

So if you "come out" as a republican, today, in this climate, then you're outright saying you agree with this radicalization. (Regardless of whether you do agree)

I know a lot of republicans who don't agree with it and, right now, there isn't really a party for them. So they still call themselves republicans and either lie to themselves to deal with their choice (or ignore the bad news), or they fall into the constant propaganda. I've seen several end up converting to Democrats (or at least strongly consider it).

Theory: I suspect the US, after all these decades, is finally correcting back towards a less right-shifted spectrum. As the current GOP moves to the extreme-right, non-extremists shift left and, if they end up democrats, there will probably be a split of the "Liberal" party and the "Democratic" party. This would mirror the more European models.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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post #41

I don't understand this. Kavanaugh hasnt been proven to be guilty. There are credible allegations which demand a further investigation as is being conducted by the FBI. Beyond that apart from his clumsiness at the testimony there isnt much going on against him. If these people are so data driven how come they choose to believe things for which we have no evidence. You may mock him for losing his cool but thats just a…

Ford's testimony appeared credible. However, there is no contemporaneous corroboration, even from her long-time friend who not only didn't corroborate it, she refuted that she had even met Kavanaugh. Ramirez, Swetnik allegations are not credible. They too have no corroboration. While I've seen plenty of people decry Rachel Mitchell's letter to the Republican Senators as "political", I have yet to see anyone refute th…

>Ford's testimony appeared credible

Did you even watch it?

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anybody in the tech industry has the balls to come out as a Republican. The backlash would be awful. Thank God votes are secret, still.

Speaking as a non-american: People don't want to come out as Republican because of how corrupt Republican representation has become. Republicans used to be respectable. There's still a few respectable figures in Congress and the Senate but even they have to follow the abhorrently partisanship, otherwise they aren't getting reelected. The republican base has turned on its head and has been massively radicalized. So if…

Everything you said could also be said about the Democrats, except the safe to come out as a Democrat because they control all of the media, tech companies, and generally hold power in the West.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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post #41

I don't understand this. Kavanaugh hasnt been proven to be guilty. There are credible allegations which demand a further investigation as is being conducted by the FBI. Beyond that apart from his clumsiness at the testimony there isnt much going on against him. If these people are so data driven how come they choose to believe things for which we have no evidence. You may mock him for losing his cool but thats just a…

Ford's testimony appeared credible. However, there is no contemporaneous corroboration, even from her long-time friend who not only didn't corroborate it, she refuted that she had even met Kavanaugh. Ramirez, Swetnik allegations are not credible. They too have no corroboration. While I've seen plenty of people decry Rachel Mitchell's letter to the Republican Senators as "political", I have yet to see anyone refute th…

https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/contrary-to-conservative...

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#49

I don't understand this. Kavanaugh hasnt been proven to be guilty. There are credible allegations which demand a further investigation as is being conducted by the FBI. Beyond that apart from his clumsiness at the testimony there isnt much going on against him. If these people are so data driven how come they choose to believe things for which we have no evidence. You may mock him for losing his cool but thats just a…

There are two things in my (and many others' minds) about why his confirmation is an egregious "ramming through" by the Republicans that have many people outraged.

1) He is not entitled to this seat. If you were interviewing a candidate who had allegations of any kind (sexual assault, stealing, unethical behavior in general), wouldn't you prefer to interview and hire someone else? Kavanaugh isn't some brilliant legal scholar that we should be so lucky as to have on the bench. This isn't supposed to be a criminal investigation. We shouldn't be arguing the semantics of whether what he's done is perjury. It's not supposed to be close. Nominees to the Supreme Court are supposed to aspire to a higher level of ethics, candor, and rationality (and not emotional exposition). The charges level against him, and the nonpartisanship that is supposed to be the foundation of the Supreme Court, should have made whichever party nominated him immediately withdraw his name and submit as an alternative any of the dozen or more judges with unassailable careers and personal records.

2) He made bare his partisanship with his railing against the Democrats' agenda and his conspiracy theory about how Democrats were out to get him because of some ill-conceived idea of our loyalty to the Clintons. Regardless of charges leveled against him, and regardless of their actual partisan beliefs, nominees to the Supreme Court are supposed to do their best in their confirmation hearings and for the entirety of their time on the bench, to convey a nonpartisan commitment to the interpretation of the Constitution and the American legal framework. He abandoned all this with his attacks on the left and his aggressive, disrespectful responses to the Senators who were interviewing him.

Yes, Republicans hold all the cards and can do what they will. They could ram him through now, after the midterms, or even let Trump do it in a recess appointment. But, the SCOTUS to this point has had an air of nonpartisanship and civility about it that has all but evaporated from every other part of public discourse, and Republicans are trying now to throw away the last bit of integrity left on the Supreme Court.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#50

I don't understand this. Kavanaugh hasnt been proven to be guilty. There are credible allegations which demand a further investigation as is being conducted by the FBI. Beyond that apart from his clumsiness at the testimony there isnt much going on against him. If these people are so data driven how come they choose to believe things for which we have no evidence. You may mock him for losing his cool but thats just a…

> I don't understand this. Kavanaugh hasnt been proven to be guilty.

Has he been proven guilty of Ford’s allegations? No, he will very likely never be.

Has he done something that should bar him from being a judge, let alone a Supreme Court justice? Very much so and can conclusively be proven. Lying on the stand[0] is something not allowed for anyone, but most assuredly shouldn’t be allowed to slide for Supreme Court justices, IMHO.

[0] https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh...

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