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Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by seanalltogether »

RobAley wrote: post #18
seanalltogether wrote: post #5

Instead of governments announcing bans (I believe france announced a future ban a couple months back), I would rather see these governments committing to only purchasing electric vehicles for all government fleets. Why not put your money were your mouth is and help pump money into the industry via purchasing orders, rather then simply announcing a ban?

Because this does exactly that, and more. The gov have effectively committed to buying only elecrtic fleets because thats all that will be sold.

Not really, these bans are set so far in the future that they are almost meaningless, a problem for the next government to figure out, or delay even further.

On the other hand, the current government could easily announce that starting in 2020 all new government fleet purchases are required to be electric and it would help create a lot of new competition to bid for those orders.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by stephengillie »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #29
maxsilver wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Range Rover has a model with a whooping 1 mile(!!!) of electric range, but of course it has an electric motor so it qualifies as a hybrid "Just 1 mile of electric range" is true for most hybrids that don't plug into to charge (from Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc). Obviously more miles would be even better, but this isn't a terrible thing on it's own. The base non-plug-in Toyota Prius Hybrid has had "just 1 mile of electr…

This. Think of the battery and electric motor in a hybrid like a caching system that makes the power-train able to use energy a lot more efficiently.

It's like a solid state version of a giant flywheel under the car. Bonus in that there's no extra angular momentum.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

jimmaswell wrote: post #22
reacharavindh wrote: post #13

Wonder what it'd do to the resale value of cars even before 2030. Denmark with their famous 150% registration tax already has cars being used much longer than what I've seen in other countries. I'd love to see the 150% tax waived off for 100% electric cars that are not luxury vehicles. Set strict constraints for a common man car, and incentivize it turning electric. Also, think about the charging infrastructure....

I never understood how anyone possibly felt the ridiculously extremist state of affairs of automobile/fuel regulations/taxes/etc in Denmark is appropriate. The rest of Europe isn't that great either but Denmark is one of or the most insane examples (memory isn't clear on if there was another member state that was even worse). One of the things that makes me grateful to live in the USA - owning and operating a car doe…

In the whole nation of Denmark, 26% of all sub-5km trips are by bike.

In Portland, the US's most celebrated cycle city, 6.3% of commuter journeys are by bike.

It looks to me like Denmark has it right; and that taxing polluting vehicles (you know, there's this thing called climate change?) is perhaps a better strategy than sneeringly calling them "clown cars".

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by NTDF9 »

This is great. I don't think we in the US realize how far ahead European countries are wrt EV. Their governments are working like startups to make this happen. Even if only cars get replaced (and not trucks or heavy vehicles), that's a huge boost.

Further, I think the biggest gains of this are in emerging countries like SE asia, India etc. where the cost of oil fuel is much higher than the US. The market size willing to ride on this tech is insane.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by lucideer »

martin_bech wrote: post #20
DerJacques wrote: post #2

While the promise sounds great, it's important to note that no law has actually been passed. Also, incentives to increase sales of electric vehicles are yet to be announced. Denmark's Scandinavian neighbour Norway is on the other side of the spectrum. Heavy subsidisation has caused every 2nd (!) car sold to be electric ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-norway-autos/... ).

Incentives are to be anounced next week. If they follow the so called “climate panel” they will be horrible.. a Tesla will actually go up in price..

Do you have a link to the "climate panel's" recommendations that increase the Tesla price? I can't find any specific recommendations with actual numbers, only general stuff on suggested areas for inventivising BEVs.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

RobAley wrote: post #18
seanalltogether wrote: post #5

Instead of governments announcing bans (I believe france announced a future ban a couple months back), I would rather see these governments committing to only purchasing electric vehicles for all government fleets. Why not put your money were your mouth is and help pump money into the industry via purchasing orders, rather then simply announcing a ban?

Because this does exactly that, and more. The gov have effectively committed to buying only elecrtic fleets because thats all that will be sold.

This is leading by decree. At best the next government has to deal with it (or exempt themselves).

Purchasing electric fleets in order to speed up development and adopting of EVs is leading by example.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

jimmaswell wrote: post #22
reacharavindh wrote: post #13

Wonder what it'd do to the resale value of cars even before 2030. Denmark with their famous 150% registration tax already has cars being used much longer than what I've seen in other countries. I'd love to see the 150% tax waived off for 100% electric cars that are not luxury vehicles. Set strict constraints for a common man car, and incentivize it turning electric. Also, think about the charging infrastructure....

I never understood how anyone possibly felt the ridiculously extremist state of affairs of automobile/fuel regulations/taxes/etc in Denmark is appropriate. The rest of Europe isn't that great either but Denmark is one of or the most insane examples (memory isn't clear on if there was another member state that was even worse). One of the things that makes me grateful to live in the USA - owning and operating a car doe…

See, now I take the opposite view.

Denmark may have some fairly onerous taxes, but that seems to be more than made up for by the quality of life, healthcare, education and so on. I have two good friends who moved from UK to Denmark, both high earners with families, neither would consider returning to the UK for a millisecond. As UK austerity continues and Brexit nears I'm thinking of it myself.

The USA's ridiculously high subsidy of petrol has struck me as crazy ever since my first visit in the 80s or 90s, and I rented a "standard" car that turned out to be as large as a small aircraft carrier. It handled like an aircraft carrier too.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by scrollaway »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #40
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And setting an impossible to implement date of 2020 is a great way to ensure they donate their money to whoever's running against you.

Then, you have a much bigger problem to solve (your campaign finance system). This looks like corruption to me but I'm no US citizen.

How do you solve your campaign finance system issues if you're not in power because, when you are, all you do is piss people off by banning their cars with little to no heads up?

"Why don't government simply act without any regard for reality?" is just a weird question to ask.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by Gravityloss »

zymhan wrote: post #35
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more widely distributed than electricity?

Find me high-voltage high-amperage connections on the side of the freeway though.

Denmark is small, flat and relatively populated and rich.

Probably you're never far from a high voltage transmission line.

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