Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope this is a joke
I think that's pretty obvious.
I've had people get visibly angry with me that I'd dare suggest that they do fizzbuzz.
The Lie Generator: Inside the Black Mirror World of Polygraph Job Screenings
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#42I once was gassing up at a station, and for whatever reason the card reader on the pump wasn't charging, but would let me pump gas anyways. So me, and everyone else who'd used that pump that day, received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it. Fast forward a bit, to where I am undergoing a polygraph examination for the NS…
It’s a subjective interrogation with a prop. You tingled his spidey sense. And was he wrong? You pumped gas without paying. Did you acknowledge it as a criminal act or as good fortune or not at all? Look at it from the interrogators perspective.
The OP said the card reader didn't charge. The implication is that they swiped their card and pumped gas thinking they paid.
How is that a criminal act?
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#43Boy, they sure didn't open with a case I could be sympathetic with. Lied to the state police, lied when applying to a city PD, but this time, oh, this time he's telling the truth! My guess is, word gets around, and "inconsistencies" is just the excuse they need. I'm not saying it makes it right, because next it's going to mere coincidence that a black woman had "inconsistencies" when applying. But in this case, I mig…
It's tricky because I interpreted the paragraph differently: the _polygraph_ has deemed him of lying about these things, not that he -actually- lied: "He had first applied to the Connecticut State Police and was failed for deception about occasional marijuana use as a minor. He then tried again with a police department in New Britain, where a polygraph test showed him lying about his criminal and sexual history."
> the _polygraph_ has deemed him of lying about these things
I think the article's point is that the polygraph _operator_ decided that (perhaps not consciously), not the machine itself.
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#44I was looking for a statement by the "other side", someone in government who could give a justification as to why they're being used. Is it simply because its the "standard" now, and bureaucrats don't want to stick their neck out by getting rid of it? Is the fact that it is a machine that has been around for awhile, regardless of efficacy, give people that much comfort? Or are enough people really that misinformed? I…
One other side is that most applicants don't know that lie detectors are bunk, so their use can result in more honest answers.
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#45It was my understanding that polygraph tests were mostly useless and just a way to claim someone is lying through clever use of pseudoscience
They're not useless, but yes, they are a form of trickery. It's a psychological technique that tries to make people who are lying or hiding things more likely to be nervous and more likely to confess (or be led down a line of questioning which eventually reveals new information). The actual results from the machine are pretty much just a red herring, but that doesn't necessarily mean the machines have no valid uses.…
> but I would want them to be used if I were interviewing for FBI/CIA/NSA
Why?
As well as being known to be a form of trickery it's also the case that it is easy to teach someone to manipulate the results at will.
All you achieve requiring it for those organisations is that there will be a) some who are rejected unjustly thanks to a false positive, and b) the people you really don't want in there have another bit of flim-flam to reinforce their apparent legitimacy.
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#46It was my understanding that polygraph tests were mostly useless and just a way to claim someone is lying through clever use of pseudoscience
They're not useless, but yes, they are a form of trickery. It's a psychological technique that tries to make people who are lying or hiding things more likely to be nervous and more likely to confess (or be led down a line of questioning which eventually reveals new information). The actual results from the machine are pretty much just a red herring, but that doesn't necessarily mean the machines have no valid uses.…
Polygraphs should nevern be used. An administrator can interpret the results any way they see fit. It's a perfect avenue for bigotry and other unfair hiring practices. It has no place in society.
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#47I once was gassing up at a station, and for whatever reason the card reader on the pump wasn't charging, but would let me pump gas anyways. So me, and everyone else who'd used that pump that day, received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it. Fast forward a bit, to where I am undergoing a polygraph examination for the NS…
...received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it
So, given that you paid-up for the gas when requested, you didn't intend to permanently deprive the owner of it which suggests that technically it wasn't larceny and could have been sloughed-off as a misunderstanding. Given you were dealing with an NSA interview, sounds like they were playing a psychological setup game to determine how calmly you would respond under pressure in the context of an intimidating polygraph test. Seems like they weren't too thrilled with the responses they elicited. Would you really want to work for an organization that plays those sort of mind games?
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#48I once was gassing up at a station, and for whatever reason the card reader on the pump wasn't charging, but would let me pump gas anyways. So me, and everyone else who'd used that pump that day, received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it. Fast forward a bit, to where I am undergoing a polygraph examination for the NS…
...received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it So, given that you paid-up for the gas when requested, you didn't intend to permanently deprive the owner of it which suggests that technically it wasn't larceny and could have been sloughed-off as a misunderstanding. Given you were dealing with an NSA interview, sounds li…
>Would you really want to work for an organization that plays those sort of mind games?
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No, I don't anymore. But at the time I was excited for the opportunity
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're not useless, but yes, they are a form of trickery. It's a psychological technique that tries to make people who are lying or hiding things more likely to be nervous and more likely to confess (or be led down a line of questioning which eventually reveals new information). The actual results from the machine are pretty much just a red herring, but that doesn't necessarily mean the machines have no valid uses.…
Polygraphs should nevern be used. An administrator can interpret the results any way they see fit. It's a perfect avenue for bigotry and other unfair hiring practices. It has no place in society.
Again, it's not about the results. But I agree it shouldn't be used for hiring, except for extremely sensitive positions.
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#50I once was gassing up at a station, and for whatever reason the card reader on the pump wasn't charging, but would let me pump gas anyways. So me, and everyone else who'd used that pump that day, received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it. Fast forward a bit, to where I am undergoing a polygraph examination for the NS…
...received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it So, given that you paid-up for the gas when requested, you didn't intend to permanently deprive the owner of it which suggests that technically it wasn't larceny and could have been sloughed-off as a misunderstanding. Given you were dealing with an NSA interview, sounds li…
That hiring practice sounds terrible when you frame it like that. It seems like a great way to build a terribly aggressive, pressure-driven monoculture.