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I can turn my monitor down so it's dimmer than a sheet of white paper on my desk. If I aim a desk lamp directly at the paper I can make it brighter than the monitor on full brightness. There's no standard brightness for monitor or paper.
But can you actually READ your monitor when it’s dimmer than a sheet of paper in ambient light?
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I don't see anything related to reflectivity vs. backlight illumination. Most of the discussion is around the wavelength of light (blue) and its effects.
does light have any other intrinsic properties besides spectrum/wavelengths and intensity (EDIT: properties that vary based on the light source alone)? It doesn't matter if it came from a backlight or reflection, the electromagnetic waves are still electromagnetic waves. If the color spectrum is unpleasant, it's possible to use Night Shift or other features to shift the spectrum. If the intensity is unpleasant, just…
Sure, think of things like polarizing filters, lasers, etc.
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does light have any other intrinsic properties besides spectrum/wavelengths and intensity (EDIT: properties that vary based on the light source alone)? It doesn't matter if it came from a backlight or reflection, the electromagnetic waves are still electromagnetic waves. If the color spectrum is unpleasant, it's possible to use Night Shift or other features to shift the spectrum. If the intensity is unpleasant, just…
does light have any other intrinsic properties besides spectrum/wavelengths and intensity? Sure, think of things like polarizing filters, lasers, etc.
Polarization is just related to the orientation of the electromagnetic waves, and it is a property I didn't mention, you're correct. I don't think it really matters here, though. It's kind of like which direction you shine a light, except whether the waves are all oriented the same way or not. I would almost argue that it's an extrinsic property since uniform polarization is almost exclusively the realm of external things like filters, not the light source itself.
Your "etc." is a little vague.
> It turns out that staring at back-lit computer monitors for 40+ hours a week might not be the best thing for you. Source? Light is still hitting your retinas, whether it comes from reflection or from a backlight. I really enjoy E-Ink displays, but not because of perceived health benefits from reflected light. I enjoy how readable they are under sunlight, how they consume zero energy to show a static image, and how…
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17724995 Was a good thread
I will say, it does seem to make it easier to fall asleep at night.
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does light have any other intrinsic properties besides spectrum/wavelengths and intensity? Sure, think of things like polarizing filters, lasers, etc.
Lasers are just a method of creating light of a single wavelength. The light itself from the laser is still defined by its wavelength and intensity. Polarization is just related to the orientation of the electromagnetic waves, and it is a property I didn't mention, you're correct. I don't think it really matters here, though. It's kind of like which direction you shine a light, except whether the waves are all orient…
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You get a LOT more light from a backlight than from reflection, at least in indoor conditions.
I can turn my monitor down so it's dimmer than a sheet of white paper on my desk. If I aim a desk lamp directly at the paper I can make it brighter than the monitor on full brightness. There's no standard brightness for monitor or paper.
On the other hand, passive displays (books, e-ink) by their nature inherently match ambient lighting conditions, because they simply reflect ambient light. This is the equivalent of a monitor with a much wider range of contrast and brightness levels equipped with an automatic adaptive adjustment with sub-nanosecond response times, something that simply does not exist with present technology.
So yes, in theory a monitor could potentially match a passive display in terms of reducing eye strain and tiredness but in practice it is beyond the state of the art for now.
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does light have any other intrinsic properties besides spectrum/wavelengths and intensity (EDIT: properties that vary based on the light source alone)? It doesn't matter if it came from a backlight or reflection, the electromagnetic waves are still electromagnetic waves. If the color spectrum is unpleasant, it's possible to use Night Shift or other features to shift the spectrum. If the intensity is unpleasant, just…
This is actually a reply to @Romed: OLED displays have a different problem; they have so much noise at low brightness that the image falls apart. Still, I think a monochrome OLED display is what the person who wrote this article actually wants. It would have better performance in every respect to E-Ink, and it doesn't sound like their application requires E-Ink's low power. My understanding too is that OLEDs can have…
> It turns out that staring at back-lit computer monitors for 40+ hours a week might not be the best thing for you. Source? Light is still hitting your retinas, whether it comes from reflection or from a backlight. I really enjoy E-Ink displays, but not because of perceived health benefits from reflected light. I enjoy how readable they are under sunlight, how they consume zero energy to show a static image, and how…
Edit: thank you, Dark Reader[0]
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There's been recent mention of the... Onyx Boox Max2, as Google refreshes my memory. It can be used as a display via a simple HDMI connection. I read a few articles, and I'd like to try one, but I haven't convinced myself to put down $800 . Here's a googled link that my browser history says I've visited before: https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/onyx-boox-ma... P.S. As I asked at the time, does anyone kn…
I searched for a teardown, but only found one of the Dasung Paperlike Pro https://kevzettler.com/2018/02/11/dasung-paperlike-pro-teard... , but which helpfully links to a source for the panel. The biggest display they have seems to be a 42" monochrome display for $2000 https://shopkits.eink.com/product-category/e-ink-display-mod...
Note that it's another $500 for the controller module they recommend. (I know, I was asking after the Max2's raw panel. But in considering making one of the ones on this site work.)
There's also a listing for a 31.2" panel capable of 4096 colors (per the description). $2300.
Tangentially, the article shows video playing through eInk, and its choppy yet paper-like effect really reminds me of the animation style of the 1980s music video "Take On Me" by the band a-ha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914 I'm not sure if I'd be able to use one of these monitors without constantly thinking of that video.
That's an additional advantage. :)