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How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by lightbyte »

presscast wrote: post #30
Waterluvian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's been symbolic for a long time. It would be a constitutional crisis if Her Majesty started getting involved.

I'm surprised you use the term "constitutional crisis" here. Isn't the UK one of those rare countries without a constitution?

Constitutional crisis is an appropriate term for the UK, it has happened twice before:

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofp...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_crisis#United_K...

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by M2Ys4U »

presscast wrote: post #30
Waterluvian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's been symbolic for a long time. It would be a constitutional crisis if Her Majesty started getting involved.

I'm surprised you use the term "constitutional crisis" here. Isn't the UK one of those rare countries without a constitution?

The UK does have a constitution.

It's just not all written down (lots of things work on 'convention'), and the bits that are written down aren't all written down in one document.

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by arethuza »

martythemaniak wrote: post #31

Brexit has definitely changed my mind on one thing - majority vote in a referendum is bad. Or rather, the percentage vote required should be proportional to the gravity of the question. Referendums are rare, so most votes should require well over 50%. I did not used to think this. In 2007 British Columbia had a referendum on switching to proportional representation from FPTP. The result was like 52% in favour, but th…

Scotland had a develution referendum in 1979 that failed even though a majority voted for devolution - for some reason it was decided that 40% of the registered electorate had to vote Yes and as turnout was 64% a 51.6% Yes vote wasn't enough:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution_referendum...

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by Paianni »

Someguywhatever wrote: post #34
clubm8 wrote: post #19

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>The Leave voters will all call you undemocratic. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. This is the same country that has the queen give "consent" for all legislation, correct? What exactly is the point of the monarchy if they won't step in during this serious issue to act as the "adult in the room"?

Why is the democratic decision to leave not an "adult" decision? To conduct the referendum and then not abide by the result would absolutely be undemocratic. The UK is already dragging it's heels on taking action WRT Brexit IMO. I think that they will drag it out so long that they say the mandate of the referendum has expired, and then re-rerun the referendum. They will rinse and repeat until they get the result they…

That article concerns the Lisbon Treaty. Ireland was already an EU member.

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by koops »

martythemaniak wrote: post #31

Brexit has definitely changed my mind on one thing - majority vote in a referendum is bad. Or rather, the percentage vote required should be proportional to the gravity of the question. Referendums are rare, so most votes should require well over 50%. I did not used to think this. In 2007 British Columbia had a referendum on switching to proportional representation from FPTP. The result was like 52% in favour, but th…

"...a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but a two-thirds majority in case of more major..."

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by isoskeles »

Kalium wrote: post #35
martythemaniak wrote: post #31

Brexit has definitely changed my mind on one thing - majority vote in a referendum is bad. Or rather, the percentage vote required should be proportional to the gravity of the question. Referendums are rare, so most votes should require well over 50%. I did not used to think this. In 2007 British Columbia had a referendum on switching to proportional representation from FPTP. The result was like 52% in favour, but th…

California is a good example of what happens when pretty much any policy can be set by simple majority vote. The result is, to be kind about it, a lot of room for improvement.

It feels like the people here don't know that the state issuing "bonds" means it's taking on debt.

I lived in San Francisco for a while, and I don't remember the numbers and I know you can look this up, but it felt like I was voting No on up to dozen different bond proposals every two years. Doesn't matter, they always pass. (To clarify, I also don't remember if these were always up to a majority vote, but they almost always pass unless it's for something Californians don't like for whatever reason.)

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by anne_veling »

Anderkent wrote: post #14
anne_veling wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great idea! Then you would want to play with the scenario of Scotland (also) remaining aligned with the EU e.g.?

Well, the ability to make only Northern Ireland leave the EU was chuckle-inducing, so I'd probably play with things that way :P

haha excellent

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by InitialLastName »

isoskeles wrote: post #46
Kalium wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California is a good example of what happens when pretty much any policy can be set by simple majority vote. The result is, to be kind about it, a lot of room for improvement.

It feels like the people here don't know that the state issuing "bonds" means it's taking on debt. I lived in San Francisco for a while, and I don't remember the numbers and I know you can look this up, but it felt like I was voting No on up to dozen different bond proposals every two years. Doesn't matter, they always pass. (To clarify, I also don't remember if these were always up to a majority vote, but they almos…

> It feels like the people here don't know that the state issuing "bonds" means it's taking on debt.

It more than feels like it; most people don't know that.

As with other things, we can blame the total lack of financial education in our education system.

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by moomin »

arethuza wrote: post #43
martythemaniak wrote: post #31

Brexit has definitely changed my mind on one thing - majority vote in a referendum is bad. Or rather, the percentage vote required should be proportional to the gravity of the question. Referendums are rare, so most votes should require well over 50%. I did not used to think this. In 2007 British Columbia had a referendum on switching to proportional representation from FPTP. The result was like 52% in favour, but th…

Scotland had a develution referendum in 1979 that failed even though a majority voted for devolution - for some reason it was decided that 40% of the registered electorate had to vote Yes and as turnout was 64% a 51.6% Yes vote wasn't enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution_referendum...

Yeah, Brexit is pretty much a case study on why there’s a code of good practice on referendums and what happens if you don’t follow it.
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