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Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #28

When people suggested phone 2fa was a data collection scheme they were hushed and called tinfoils.

People still do that when you point out that using a phone number as a required identifier (WhatsApp, Signal, etc.) gives every 'free' service a near perfect unique identifier that's the same for all services used by that person. Ideal for cross-service collation. Who wants a social security number when you've got someone's phone number?

Except that a phone number is as quickly and easily disposable and changeable as an email address or any other identifier?

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #21

Another personal observation. I have an Instagram account that I thought was fully incognito. I never connected it to any other social account, I used a separate email for authentication etc. Just days after the Instagram founders left Facebook I started receiving friend suggestion on my IG that were very very relevant. Those were people I knew in real life and mostly connected via Facebook but not only. I shouldn't…

Are you sure you didn't access it from the same IP address? There are so many fingerprints you are willingly sending to the public.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #35
post #21

Another personal observation. I have an Instagram account that I thought was fully incognito. I never connected it to any other social account, I used a separate email for authentication etc. Just days after the Instagram founders left Facebook I started receiving friend suggestion on my IG that were very very relevant. Those were people I knew in real life and mostly connected via Facebook but not only. I shouldn't…

Haven't you used the same web browser for both, Facebook and Instagram? They might just be sharing cookies.

Well, Instagram and FB being 2 separate domains , they shouldn't (in theory at least) be able to access each others cookies in browser. The tracking is most likley still server side based.

Based on what the OP is writing, the unique identifier foe the user can even be the IP address...

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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The url should point to the Gizmodo article; not the sensationalizing tweet.

https://gizmodo.com/facebook-is-giving-advertisers-access-to...

The actual story is FB enriching your profile with shadow contact information about you when you or third parties provide it with details it wasn't aware about yet. For instance when a friend of yours has your landline number in their address book and gives FB access to the latter; or when an advertiser provides FB with the same as part of targeting an ad campaign.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #4

The reason I never give fb my mobile is if you use a pseudonym account, it will suggest your profile as a friend to anyone who has your mobile in their phone contact list (eg ex-partners, stalkers, employers, drug dealers). Found that one out the hard way. I know Zuck wants me to preemptively upload my nudes, but still.

FB's terms of service do not allow pseudonym accounts.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #21

Another personal observation. I have an Instagram account that I thought was fully incognito. I never connected it to any other social account, I used a separate email for authentication etc. Just days after the Instagram founders left Facebook I started receiving friend suggestion on my IG that were very very relevant. Those were people I knew in real life and mostly connected via Facebook but not only. I shouldn't…

This happened to me after Facebook acquired Instagram. I had my mobile no in Instagram profile. Instagram cross-referenced my mobile with my Whatsapp contact list(I haven't given Instagram access to my iPhone contacts). I suddenly got suggestions to follow my colleagues on Insta. Colleagues with whom I interact only on Whatsapp. Since then my trust level in Instagram,Facebook & Whatsapp has gone into negative.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #28

When people suggested phone 2fa was a data collection scheme they were hushed and called tinfoils.

While I share the sentiment, I think I should be fair to HN: according to a quick search I've just performed, I brought up the topic 4 times in comments over 3 years, and those comments have scores of 7, -4, 16, and 3 [1][2][3][4]. So saying that I was "hushed and called tinfoil" would not be fair to HN.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17515029

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14105696

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12782158

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9804876

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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The url should point to the Gizmodo article; not the sensationalizing tweet. https://gizmodo.com/facebook-is-giving-advertisers-access-to... The actual story is FB enriching your profile with shadow contact information about you when you or third parties provide it with details it wasn't aware about yet. For instance when a friend of yours has your landline number in their address book and gives FB access to the latt…

Is this any surprise? Just a few hours ago the Acton article on the front page[0] talked about them doing this in WhatsApp:

> Later he learned that elsewhere in Facebook, there were “plans and technologies to blend data.” Specifically, Facebook could use the 128-bit string of numbers assigned to each phone as a kind of bridge between accounts. The other method was phone-number matching, or pinpointing Facebook accounts with phone numbers and matching them to WhatsApp accounts with the same phone number.

> Within 18 months, a new WhatsApp terms of service linked the accounts and made Acton look like a liar.

Companies like this, and Facebook in particular, are desperate to connect identities. Phone numbers are an incredibly useful way to do so. Most people only have a couple of them, their re-use rate is slow, they get entered into forms all over the place, and they're usually valid (because they were provided as a primary method of contact).

In this case advertisers have an identity (and phone number), Facebook wants to match on that value. They're going to do it any way they can.

It may not be ethical, but the carrot is right there and it's naive to think you can give them your identifying number and they're going to turn a blind eye to it.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18074690

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