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When Zuckerberg Asserted Control, Instagram’s Founders Chafed

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Re: When Zuckerberg Asserted Control, Instagram’s Founders Chafed

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Zuckerberg: Take the money. Acton: I'm not taking it. Z: Just take it. A: No! Z: Look, I don't give a fuck, but the boys'll feel better. A: Fuck their feelings! Z: [Brian], we're a team. A: A team? You guys are fucking insane. I'll go back to the Valley, I'll [create messaging apps]. It can't be like this. Z: It is. I'm sorry, but it is. It's ugly, but it's necessary. A: I became a [developer] to put away dealers and…

hahaha that was great

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Side note: For anyone interested, the third picture down[1] in the article is a fairly high resolution photo of a computer monitor where you can see Xcode and some very neat Objective-C code. [1]: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/09/25/business/25INSTAG...

I wonder when this picture was taken. The iPhone design in the simulator, the old Gmail favicon, the old OS X scrollbars all indicate this being several years old. Wouldn't be surprised if this code has been rewritten multiple times since.

ASIHTTPRequest? Yep, this is ancient.

Re: When Zuckerberg Asserted Control, Instagram’s Founders Chafed

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post #27

Side note: For anyone interested, the third picture down[1] in the article is a fairly high resolution photo of a computer monitor where you can see Xcode and some very neat Objective-C code. [1]: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/09/25/business/25INSTAG...

I wonder when this picture was taken. The iPhone design in the simulator, the old Gmail favicon, the old OS X scrollbars all indicate this being several years old. Wouldn't be surprised if this code has been rewritten multiple times since.

Their code is using manual reference counting so it must have been taken before ARC was introduced on WWDC 2011.

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post #20

I'm not sure that Facebook using Instagram as a way to funnel people back to Facebook is a great strategy. Companies need to be willing to cannibalize themselves or someone will do it for them. I don't know if Zuck had the foresight at the time, but Instagram has obviously been an amazing hedge against apps like Snapchat. People like Instagram and Snapchat partly because they are less formal than Facebook, most users…

That sounds intriguing. What is she annoyed? What apps (social media, news, or entertainment) are popular with her and her friends? I'm surprised why something better hasn't come along than FB.

I don't use Facebook so I can't vouch based on my own usage, but based on conversations w/ her she's been dissatisfied with Facebook for quite some time. She still checks it every day (this is the power of Facebook) but feels compelled to because it's the best way to discover events. I'd bet she spends more time on Instagram but Facebook is right up there.

Other than that she uses Group Me, which is basically a big chatroom app, it can get overwhelming though and from what I know she's muted the chats.

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post #40

> As Instagram kept on growing, Mr. Zuckerberg believed there were ways it should help Facebook grow and improve Facebook’s “user engagement.” That included small tweaks, like automatically sharing Instagram “Stories” videos to Facebook without clear signs indicating the videos were taken on Instagram. That's a little sneaky. I had started to notice more stories when I opened FB, and it was always the people I'm also…

> What would the point of this be? Why would FB want to shut off traffic to another one of their properties?

They make waay more money off of facebook ads than they do from instagram ads. And they're seeing people dumping Facebook in favor of just using Instagram. They're trying to staunch the bleed.

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It's a lot easier to stand for your principles and say no to $850M if you already own billions...

Anyone with say ~$2M (give or take a magnitude) could easily say no to more money and be pretty happy, but humans being what they are...

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I'm not on FB. I also haven't used Instagram for a while. How has Instagram changed in the last few years?

That's an interesting question! For $2500, I would be happy to curate a post for my 17,000 Instagram followers featuring your question in the text of a post of myself near a slightly off-trail vista at a remote yet recognizable exotic location.

Re: When Zuckerberg Asserted Control, Instagram’s Founders Chafed

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I'm not on FB. I also haven't used Instagram for a while. How has Instagram changed in the last few years?

That's an interesting question! For $2500, I would be happy to curate a post for my 17,000 Instagram followers featuring your question in the text of a post of myself near a slightly off-trail vista at a remote yet recognizable exotic location.

So you're saying it's a bunch of people trying to earn money endorsing merchandise and places?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the transcripts they'll recite during the canonization of St. Acton, patron saint of "After I get Mine".

Lol at the flak being hurled at this guy like we wouldn't all do exactly the same thing, were we in his position.

Not true, I would have stuck it out for another year for the extra $850 million.

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post #20

I'm not sure that Facebook using Instagram as a way to funnel people back to Facebook is a great strategy. Companies need to be willing to cannibalize themselves or someone will do it for them. I don't know if Zuck had the foresight at the time, but Instagram has obviously been an amazing hedge against apps like Snapchat. People like Instagram and Snapchat partly because they are less formal than Facebook, most users…

That sounds intriguing. What is she annoyed? What apps (social media, news, or entertainment) are popular with her and her friends? I'm surprised why something better hasn't come along than FB.

Probably the same reason people were annoyed when they found out the delicious new indie beer they liked called Blue Moon was actually owned by Coors.
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