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Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

jakeogh wrote: post #38
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #9

Note that techdirt tracking consent form start with all options pre-toggled to "active". This is in violation of the GDPR, is a pain to turn off, and indicates that no, techdirt does not care about the users privacy.

They are a US company, and therefore not subject to EU law. Sovereignty is a beautiful thing.

A lot the companies that store the data aren't. It's not TechDirt storing most of the data: it's all the 3rd-party crap they load.

But that's not really the point I think, the article claims that they care "very much" about your privacy, while at the same time sending your data to dozens of different companies and making it hard to get it to stop doing that. That's not caring "very much" about privacy.

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by brokenmachine »

misabon wrote: post #31
patmcguire wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They keep quite a bit more than what you see on the surface, or what would be needed for the simplest definition of play history https://twitter.com/steipete/status/1025024813889478656

If they could tell me where I listened to what I’d love that. I wish there were Services for Feature-lovers. I’d love for my player to be able to handle mood (road trips vs work) and hold all these things without me thinking about it. I don’t want checkbox hell.

You're like the NSA's wet dream.

Just track everything and I don't want to think about it!!

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by brokenmachine »

mmt wrote: post #37
talltimtom wrote: post #36

Unintended consequences of flatscreen tv’s. They increase the loss when people break into your home! When will lawmakers take action and ban those pesky flatscreens...

That's a poor analogy, since flatscreens aren't state-mandated (nor have a mandated value-increasing component). A better analogy would be catalytic converters, which increase the loss when a car is stolen, since there's a significant quantity of precious metal up the tailpipe. Perhaps an even better analogy (since it provides a direct safety benefit to the purchaser) is that of airbags. For a while, they created an…

People stole airbags?

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by mmt »

brokenmachine wrote: post #43
mmt wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a poor analogy, since flatscreens aren't state-mandated (nor have a mandated value-increasing component). A better analogy would be catalytic converters, which increase the loss when a car is stolen, since there's a significant quantity of precious metal up the tailpipe. Perhaps an even better analogy (since it provides a direct safety benefit to the purchaser) is that of airbags. For a while, they created an…

People stole airbags?

It's not even past tense, in that it still happens. A web search for "airbag theft" should reveal that it's still an issue.

Presumably it's only less of an issue because the cost of the part has come down from $1k or more (in '92 dollars, no less).

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by jakeogh »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #41
jakeogh wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are a US company, and therefore not subject to EU law. Sovereignty is a beautiful thing.

A lot the companies that store the data aren't. It's not TechDirt storing most of the data: it's all the 3rd-party crap they load. But that's not really the point I think, the article claims that they care "very much" about your privacy, while at the same time sending your data to dozens of different companies and making it hard to get it to stop doing that. That's not caring "very much" about privacy.

True, it's difficult not to leak personal details in ways that most users do not expect and/or want, which makes it easy to game by providing deceptive solutions.

GDPR is a attack on memory, starting with conditioning to accept regulation on what experiences can be legally remembered* (like who visited your property and their attributes). It starts on a subclass to make it acceptable.

Once that is 'OK' the power centers can expand memory restrictions and go back to adding rules on what can be said (transmitted or acknowledged).

*I'm deliberately trying to mix 'remembered' (like wetware does) with 'saved', or 'written' (like wetware creations do).

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by AstralStorm »

jakeogh wrote: post #45
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot the companies that store the data aren't. It's not TechDirt storing most of the data: it's all the 3rd-party crap they load. But that's not really the point I think, the article claims that they care "very much" about your privacy, while at the same time sending your data to dozens of different companies and making it hard to get it to stop doing that. That's not caring "very much" about privacy.

True, it's difficult not to leak personal details in ways that most users do not expect and/or want, which makes it easy to game by providing deceptive solutions. GDPR is a attack on memory, starting with conditioning to accept regulation on what experiences can be legally remembered* (like who visited your property and their attributes). It starts on a subclass to make it acceptable. Once that is 'OK' the power cent…

No, GDPR is not an initial wedge to drive in censorship at all.

That has been tried before (SOPA, PIPA).

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by AstralStorm »

Aengeuad wrote: post #33
grigjd3 wrote: post #3

This is absolutely a problem we thought about, but we never found a good solution. Try getting the general public to use two-factor auth. Just try and see how that works out.

What is wrong with simply sending a confirmation link via email?

You need to have a secure email and an email address is protected user identifying data subject to GDPR.

Web does not require email for most things.

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by grigjd3 »

Aengeuad wrote: post #33
grigjd3 wrote: post #3

This is absolutely a problem we thought about, but we never found a good solution. Try getting the general public to use two-factor auth. Just try and see how that works out.

What is wrong with simply sending a confirmation link via email?

Promotes falling to phishing attacks

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by jakeogh »

AstralStorm wrote: post #46
jakeogh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, it's difficult not to leak personal details in ways that most users do not expect and/or want, which makes it easy to game by providing deceptive solutions. GDPR is a attack on memory, starting with conditioning to accept regulation on what experiences can be legally remembered* (like who visited your property and their attributes). It starts on a subclass to make it acceptable. Once that is 'OK' the power cent…

No, GDPR is not an initial wedge to drive in censorship at all. That has been tried before (SOPA, PIPA).

It is, because it censors what you can remember.

Anyway, what I was alluding to already happened: Article 13

It will get worse before the EU breaks up completely. I bet POLEXIT next.

Re: Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy

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Post by AstralStorm »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #32
lowry wrote: post #21

It's ironical that websites implement GDPR compliance using cookies.

How is that ironic? GDPR does not say that you cannot use cookies. It says that you must apply limits to the scope of data that you collect about users regardless of the means that you use to store or collect that data.

Also cookies are not stored on their systems. The result though is that they also have to comply with EU "cookie law".
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