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Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#41
I worked on content recommendation for a bit while I was at Microsoft. People click on low quality articles, spend a lot of time reading said articles, then seek out similar or lower quality articles containing the same named entities. If you recommended a variety of content to those people, they'd most frequently pick articles of equal or lesser quality about named entities they just read.

This is really kind of saddening, but your best bet really is just personalizing on as many user metrics as you can collect to best serve the people who like clickbait as well as the people who are looking for higher quality articles.

Not really relevant, but funny enough, if you prioritize article quality, popular named entities, how relevant those entities are to the article, engagement, and article age, you end up with earnings reports.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#42

I think it's funny during Christmas and Easter, thousands of sermons and positive Christian videos are posted to YouTube but do not warrant a special response from Google, despite Christians being a large user base. Google is of course free to do as they wish with their platform and promote whatever they want, it's their choice and they own it. What I dislike is they advertise it as sort of free speech platform but r…

Probably because those videos don't actually drive much engagement. Most sermon videos -- for example -- tend to be relatively slow-paced, lightly edited (if at all), and do not use any visuals beyond a fixed camera on the speaker. All of these factors are poison to engagement, even for users who might otherwise be interested in the content.

Do you know how many views Easter sermons get, or are you just assuming it's not much? I would be quite surprised if the youtube algorithm is looking at video editing style.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#43
Pewdiepie has the #1 spot on fairtrending and is no where on Youtube's trending.

Ellen Degeneres and Jimmy Falon are you Youtube trending but nowhere on fairtrending.

"Elitist corperate control over mass media is great because I don't like what normal people do." -people in this hackernews thread

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#44
"Number of views in the video" was an actual problem for youtube because people gamed the algorithm by inflating views. Now "time spent watching the video" is added to confirm the view.

I understand this data is not easily accessible to a third party but it would certainly improve this algorithm.

Edit 1: If I open YouTube and the Fair trending videos were presented to me, I would probably never use YouTube again.

Edit 2: I realize that I never click on the trending tab on youtube. I take back Edit 1, I'll just never click on the trending tab again.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#45

"Number of views in the video" was an actual problem for youtube because people gamed the algorithm by inflating views. Now "time spent watching the video" is added to confirm the view. I understand this data is not easily accessible to a third party but it would certainly improve this algorithm. Edit 1: If I open YouTube and the Fair trending videos were presented to me, I would probably never use YouTube again. Edi…

Have you looked at the front page of youtube after clearing your cookies? Its not more high brow than fairtrending. The point is that media corperations are paying Youtube for placement and Youtube is hiding non-advertiser friendly content.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#46
You really have to pick a category. For example, "News & Politics" is decent.

Of course, an alternate ranking does nothing to fix the problem of videos that have simply been banned by YouTube. Lots of good stuff is just missing now. Freedom of speech: tearing out a man's tongue doesn't prove him wrong, but it does prove that you fear his message and it strongly suggests that his message might be correct.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#47

Pewdiepie has the #1 spot on fairtrending and is no where on Youtube's trending. Ellen Degeneres and Jimmy Falon are you Youtube trending but nowhere on fairtrending. "Elitist corperate control over mass media is great because I don't like what normal people do." -people in this hackernews thread

> "Elitist corperate control over mass media is great because I don't like what normal people do." -people in this hackernews thread

This seems blown out of proportion. "I don't like what normal people do, so I will probably not look at trending to find content" is what most people are saying.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#48

Pewdiepie has the #1 spot on fairtrending and is no where on Youtube's trending. Ellen Degeneres and Jimmy Falon are you Youtube trending but nowhere on fairtrending. "Elitist corperate control over mass media is great because I don't like what normal people do." -people in this hackernews thread

Define normal

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#49
OK... opinion post here... hell with that... rant here.

I have to say the whole notion of "trending" I find ridiculous, and even a bit offensive. That somehow because a zillion people find something interesting, that I should, too, makes clear that the best we've done in filtering is assume people are sheep and need to be "fed" as such. Even with the targeted suggestions they do when they look at my viewing history (and other history I'm sure), it's so incredibly ham-fisted I just want to shout, "hey maybe you should spend less time getting your AI to beat Go champions and more time getting it actually make useful and relevant recommendations that just maybe you can dispose of that 'trending' shit you're always foisting on everyone." (Of course, if Google actually got newer versions of the Youtube app to just work correctly with their Chromecast, I'd take that as progress).

Yeah, yeah, I know that they aren't trying to get the best matched content to me in the first place... just that which I might swallow and they can get the biggest bang for their investment... but the value proposition gets too diminished and I'm gone.... emphasis on stupidity such as "trending" pushes me to look at alternatives with some frequency. I've already left Twitter and Facebook due to this pushing trends stuff, Google is on the edge.

Of course, maybe I'm the outlier and I should just invest in Google, Twitter, Facebook, oh yeah and their traditional equivalents of "Us", "People", and the "National Enquirer" since that's where the masses apparently are.

The only trending I'd be interested in at all would be "trending" amongst a group of people whom I could actively curate in a list based on my tastes and interests and... importantly... theirs. It's clear to me that I can't outsource that curation just yet.

Finally... the front page of Hacker News is obviously just a big "trending" list. I have a higher affinity with the audience here, but still find about 60% - 70% of the front page content to be of zero interest and the comments hit much less; The 30% - 40% I come back for clearly has a high value to me, nonetheless. Between a tagging filter and having the ability to select a list of certain HN users to allow undue influence the results that I see when I come to the site would make it much, much better experience. (And I probably wouldn't be baited to post crap like this). In truth, I don't actually use the Hacker News homepage directly and instead start my journey at http://hn.elijames.org/

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

#50

Pewdiepie has the #1 spot on fairtrending and is no where on Youtube's trending. Ellen Degeneres and Jimmy Falon are you Youtube trending but nowhere on fairtrending. "Elitist corperate control over mass media is great because I don't like what normal people do." -people in this hackernews thread

> "Elitist corperate control over mass media is great because I don't like what normal people do." -people in this hackernews thread This seems blown out of proportion. "I don't like what normal people do, so I will probably not look at trending to find content" is what most people are saying.

Fairtrending isn't about recommending stuff you personally are interested in. It's designed to acurately report what is actually popular and not just being promoted by Youtube. I think that went over the head of the people complaining that their personalized recommendations are more interesting to them.
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