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Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by netwanderer2 »

jackhack wrote: post #21
snaky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that don't sell physical goods don't have much choice too. > A prototype search engine that Google is designing to meet the scrutiny of Chinese officials links users’ phone numbers to the searches they perform > This report adds to earlier news, also broken by The Intercept about the search engine, codenamed “Dragonfly,” which eliminates from results a number of terms and topics, like freedom and democracy.…

I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.

If only business was really that simple. Apple manufactures all their devices in China. Even Google and Facebook are trying to get back to the Chinese market now.

People within the industry expect China to win the AI race by 2030 simply because they have a huge data source advantage which leads to better results. It was not a coincidence that Google significantly ramped up their data mining activities when they decided to switch from a "Mobile first" to an "AI first" company. Why do you think Google and Facebook are suddenly willing to bend over to the Chinese government demands just to establish their presence there?

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

mothsonasloth wrote: post #16

I miss the early 90s and 2000s when governments were still struggling to understand what the internet was, rather than trying to control it.

"Roughly a third of his inventions are legal, a third are illegal, and the remainder are legal but will become illegal as soon as the legislatosaurus wakes up, smells the coffee, and panics."

-- Accelerando by Charles Stross (cstross around here), first part published in 2001

https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/acceler...

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by kodablah »

> Does Lenovo put backdoors in if the Chinese government asks?

> "If they want backdoors globally? We don't provide them. If they want a backdoor in China, let's just say that every multinational in China does the same thing.

Even though not a direct answer, close enough. One could only hope to get a similar statement from Apple wrt iCloud so we aren't left with assumptions about lack of privacy.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by soperj »

HenryBemis wrote: post #22
claydavisss wrote: post #6

Meanwhile in the US we also have a long history of monitoring internet traffic, installing backdoors and allowing private third-parties to filter what we see online. Where do we get off critiquing the PRC? We should clean our own house first.

Last I checked, in the EU or the USA you don't disappear in the middle of the night never to be seen again because you are: -follower of different religion -saying the word "democracy" -critisizing a politician/the government so yes, first things first.

Was McCarthyism really that long ago?

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by karakot »

jackhack wrote: post #21
snaky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that don't sell physical goods don't have much choice too. > A prototype search engine that Google is designing to meet the scrutiny of Chinese officials links users’ phone numbers to the searches they perform > This report adds to earlier news, also broken by The Intercept about the search engine, codenamed “Dragonfly,” which eliminates from results a number of terms and topics, like freedom and democracy.…

I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.

"The Capitalist will sell us the Rope that we will hang them with."

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by paxy »

mothsonasloth wrote: post #16

I miss the early 90s and 2000s when governments were still struggling to understand what the internet was, rather than trying to control it.

Problem is they still don't understand what the internet is and want to control it

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by snaky »

karakot wrote: post #45
jackhack wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.

"The Capitalist will sell us the Rope that we will hang them with."

If the cheap small mini-fabs to make your own chips to avoid backdoors eventually will become reality, they will be made in China, that's for sure.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by iforgotpassword »

HenryBemis wrote: post #22
claydavisss wrote: post #6

Meanwhile in the US we also have a long history of monitoring internet traffic, installing backdoors and allowing private third-parties to filter what we see online. Where do we get off critiquing the PRC? We should clean our own house first.

Last I checked, in the EU or the USA you don't disappear in the middle of the night never to be seen again because you are: -follower of different religion -saying the word "democracy" -critisizing a politician/the government so yes, first things first.

Really, does HN deserve that kind of idiotic post?

You can walk around China an say "democracy" all day. You think they don't report on eg elections in the US on TV there? People in China complain about the government and laws all day.

There is a lot wrong with China that they deserve to be called out for, but what's your goal with a post like that? Show the world that you don't have a clue about anything besides tech? It boggles my mind how many people happily buy any FUD that helps them painting a simple black and white image of the world just so they can feel good about their own country.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by sushid »

claydavisss wrote: post #6

Meanwhile in the US we also have a long history of monitoring internet traffic, installing backdoors and allowing private third-parties to filter what we see online. Where do we get off critiquing the PRC? We should clean our own house first.

We do, but this is at a different, unprecedented scaled. As China vies for world hegemony, our future may look very bleak if China's Orwellian views are imposed at a global level.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by okatsu »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #48
HenryBemis wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, in the EU or the USA you don't disappear in the middle of the night never to be seen again because you are: -follower of different religion -saying the word "democracy" -critisizing a politician/the government so yes, first things first.

Really, does HN deserve that kind of idiotic post? You can walk around China an say "democracy" all day. You think they don't report on eg elections in the US on TV there? People in China complain about the government and laws all day. There is a lot wrong with China that they deserve to be called out for, but what's your goal with a post like that? Show the world that you don't have a clue about anything besides tec…

I don't know about the democracy part but he also mentioned religion and their ethnic cleansing of Muslims seems pretty bad from what I've read.
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