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Re: Electron 3.0.0

#41

Post by CyberDildonics »

true_religion wrote: post #24
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a billion dollar company? Give me a break.

Slacks annual revenue was 200 million in 2017, when they were a 5 billion dollar valued company. 200 mil is just 1000 Bay Area salaries, and they do have other budget items. Its entirely possible that they cannot fund 5 native development teams, while building their core features to justify their valuation, and paying their sales and marketting team to actually generate revenue.

I legitimately can't tell if you are joking.

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#42

Post by vntok »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #17
benbristow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it makes for easier programming, yes. Writing Slack as a native app would be a massive pain. Especially due to all the web-like features it has, the fact that it's one codebase (mainly) for desktop and web. They also have to support Windows, Linux, Mac and mobile. Not an easy task

For a billion dollar company? Give me a break.

What do you mean? Slack is valued at ~5 billion dollars, that has very little to do with their actual cash on hand. In 2016, they were bringing less than 65 million in revenue, for example.

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#43

Post by CyberDildonics »

jonny_eh wrote: post #29
Razengan wrote: post #23

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There are more complex apps with native versions for multiple platforms, by smaller companies.

Such as?

qTorrent, VLC, CMAKE, Obs, AbiWord and Touch Designer. That's off the top of my head.

To say a company that has 200 MILLION in revenue can't re-write their client in Qt is indefensible nonsense.

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#44

Post by LeoNatan25 »

mkonecny wrote: post #10
seanalltogether wrote: post #4

I really hope whatever the NativeWindow changes are allow Slack to finally stop rendering when the app goes to the background. My battery has been killed a couple times by the Slack renderer using ~30% cpu playing gifs while the app isn't visible, and their support says its because they don't have a notification hook for minimizing

Why is it taking 100% CPU to play gifs?

Chromium is notoriously slow at rendering GIFs. It used to be faster than Firefox, but years ago it went downhill. On a forum I visit, people would basically troll Chrome users by posting hundreds of animated smilies. On Firefox and Safari, there is little effect, while it chugs Chrome down to a halt.

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#45

Post by LeoNatan25 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #41
true_religion wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slacks annual revenue was 200 million in 2017, when they were a 5 billion dollar valued company. 200 mil is just 1000 Bay Area salaries, and they do have other budget items. Its entirely possible that they cannot fund 5 native development teams, while building their core features to justify their valuation, and paying their sales and marketting team to actually generate revenue.

I legitimately can't tell if you are joking.

It does sound like a joke. It also ignores that fact that other, proper, multiplatform technologies exist that still produce a far superior end result for the user even if not 100% platform guidelines/conventions compliant.

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#46

Post by MBCook »

jonny_eh wrote: post #30
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

It looks like a short list of new things, so maybe it makes sense to look at the first beta for v3: https://electronjs.org/releases#3.0.0-beta.1

Thanks, this is the "real" changelog. I wish projects didn't waste these great PR opportunities. There should be a blog post written by a human for human consumption that explains why we should be excited.

As someone who doesn’t follow Electron even that is worthless to me.

Is there a significant speed/memory usage change? Is the install smaller? Some new features that people want?

I don’t know. And I’m not going to read the names of dozens of tickets to try to find out.

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#47

Post by 43920 »

seanalltogether wrote: post #4

I really hope whatever the NativeWindow changes are allow Slack to finally stop rendering when the app goes to the background. My battery has been killed a couple times by the Slack renderer using ~30% cpu playing gifs while the app isn't visible, and their support says its because they don't have a notification hook for minimizing

> their support says its because they don't have a notification hook for minimizing

That doesn't even seem correct - the BrowserWindow emits "hide" and "show" events [1] that Slack could use to do exactly what you're describing. I'm guessing they just don't want to implement it for some reason?

[1] https://electronjs.org/docs/api/browser-window#event-show

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#48

Post by LeoNatan25 »

hnbroseph wrote: post #31
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #19

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Oh look, finally you are getting some API that has existed on proper frameworks for more than a decade.

yes, it's pretty nice to get new stuff :D

Would you also like a lollipop? You can get one at the kids JS "dev" table.

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#49

Post by rudedogg »

benbristow wrote: post #15
comboy wrote: post #11

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do you really though

If it makes for easier programming, yes. Writing Slack as a native app would be a massive pain. Especially due to all the web-like features it has, the fact that it's one codebase (mainly) for desktop and web. They also have to support Windows, Linux, Mac and mobile. Not an easy task

> Writing Slack as a native app would be a massive pain.

If it was allowed I'd write the native macOS app for them. I'm sure it'd pay off selling it for $5 or $10 in the Mac App Store

Re: Electron 3.0.0

#50

Post by huskyr »

jonny_eh wrote: post #30
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

It looks like a short list of new things, so maybe it makes sense to look at the first beta for v3: https://electronjs.org/releases#3.0.0-beta.1

Thanks, this is the "real" changelog. I wish projects didn't waste these great PR opportunities. There should be a blog post written by a human for human consumption that explains why we should be excited.

Yes, a nice release blog post can be so much more than just a list of closed tickets.

I think the WordPress team usually does a good job, e.g. https://wordpress.org/news/2017/11/tipton/

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