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Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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>At full power, the XR-7755 generated a tremendous amount of heat. Speaking as a full time engine mechanic for a small chain of midwestern repair stores, this is the death-knell of every heavily customized car. Heck, 3/4ths of the engineering for a Dodge Hellcat or Mustang cobra is just to keep the thing cool enough that the driver isnt chased out of the cockpit. You cant idle them the same way you idle a Toyota...th…

I'm not seeing how crank and cam specs significantly affect cooling at idle all else being equal. Any cooling system that can work under load will be fine at idle. Edit: For something like a race-car that's trying to minimize weight/power loss by running the minimum radiator/fan necessary and depending on airflow from movement (or rely on the fact that you're only running 1/4mi at a time) I can understand. Still, tha…

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Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

#42
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>At full power, the XR-7755 generated a tremendous amount of heat. Speaking as a full time engine mechanic for a small chain of midwestern repair stores, this is the death-knell of every heavily customized car. Heck, 3/4ths of the engineering for a Dodge Hellcat or Mustang cobra is just to keep the thing cool enough that the driver isnt chased out of the cockpit. You cant idle them the same way you idle a Toyota...th…

I'm not seeing how crank and cam specs significantly affect cooling at idle all else being equal. Any cooling system that can work under load will be fine at idle. Edit: For something like a race-car that's trying to minimize weight/power loss by running the minimum radiator/fan necessary and depending on airflow from movement (or rely on the fact that you're only running 1/4mi at a time) I can understand. Still, tha…

RE: Downvoting. Just give up. There is no correlating reason for downvoting. Don't even think about keeping a user name for more than a day.

It's not worth trying to please anyone around here anymore. Just cut a fresh user name, dump your honest opinion into it once, and then walk away from that user name.

The amazing part is that HN tends to auto-hellban new users, if two are created by at the same IP address, inside of 24 hours. HN also auto-hellbans for seemingly other reasons. HN doesn't really seem to know why it hellbans.

Because of this, there is also a semi-random attrition rate, for new accounts.

In summation, HN doesn't accurately downvote, and HN doesn't accurately ban or hellban. Karma is meaningless, and users are frequently silenced without cause.

Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll argue that the surviving people on the pointy end of the stick haven't thoroughly considered how pointy conventional aerial bombardment gets.

People who ended up on the pointy end of that stick in the next war still didn't make it taboo, even though they did with the weapon of mass destruction made famous by that war. I see the argument that it ultimately doesn't make much difference how a vast bunch of civilians end up indiscriminately dead, but the people who actually experienced it seem to think differently.

  There's obviously a 
  difference because 
  people differentiate.
Sorry, but I'm not buying it. In exactly the same way I don't differentiate between being maimed by a flamethrower, versus being maimed by battery acid. The presumptive idea of innate wisdom of the crowd doesn't sway me.

Ask most people choose between burning their face off with a chemical or fire, and they'll likely choose fire, but getting your face burned off is categorically bad. Why distinguish.

Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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Avro Lancaster, one of the two most successful heavy bombers of WW2 had 4 27litre V12 merlins, with proven reliability. The Avro Lancastrian was a passenger variant of the Lanc and developed into the large bodied Avro York that had the range to replace a few of the old flying boat routes. Some lasted into the 60s on commercial routes. The Lockheed Constellation had four 18 cyl radials, and being pressurised survived…

Mass aviation could not have happened without the turbine. The big propliners of the 50s were notorious for having engines fail in flight and had insufficient power reserves to do anything but struggle to the crash site, even with the tiny payloads they carried. 64 years ago today a KLM Constellation crashed at Shannon in Ireland, it was carrying 56 people. That's miniscule and was only sustainable with fares that th…

I disagree. The desire for aviation came in thanks in part to the war, and was there with or without jets in amongst post-war growth.

Jets certainly helped the growth in size, and grew the market faster than it could have without. The market was already there and growing. Prop aircraft would have grown too had there been no jet engines, though I doubt we'd have got to 300+ capacity - but who knows?

On seating. The DH Comet had a smaller passenger capacity than the Super Constellation, which was upto 110 depending on seating configuration, though usually a bit less. The 707 had 140 when first introduced. For the 1.5% - 2%ers then?

A turboprop constellation variant was prototyped but never produced commercially. The were none in service. I think the US Navy might have ended up with a couple for trials too.

Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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>At full power, the XR-7755 generated a tremendous amount of heat. Speaking as a full time engine mechanic for a small chain of midwestern repair stores, this is the death-knell of every heavily customized car. Heck, 3/4ths of the engineering for a Dodge Hellcat or Mustang cobra is just to keep the thing cool enough that the driver isnt chased out of the cockpit. You cant idle them the same way you idle a Toyota...th…

Used to have an Alfa Romeo 180 boxer engine. Made a weird ratchety noise but it was quite fun to ride. Besides the obvious overhead of multiple cam shafts, synchronization and so on, what do you think of this engine?

Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

#46
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who ended up on the pointy end of that stick in the next war still didn't make it taboo, even though they did with the weapon of mass destruction made famous by that war. I see the argument that it ultimately doesn't make much difference how a vast bunch of civilians end up indiscriminately dead, but the people who actually experienced it seem to think differently.

There's obviously a difference because people differentiate. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. In exactly the same way I don't differentiate between being maimed by a flamethrower, versus being maimed by battery acid. The presumptive idea of innate wisdom of the crowd doesn't sway me. Ask most people choose between burning their face off with a chemical or fire, and they'll likely choose fire, but getting your face burne…

I’m not saying they must be right. But they were there, they experienced it, and we did not. They may be wrong, but it would take a really strong argument to convince me of that. I’m going to start from the assumption that the people who experienced these weapons and came away with the belief that they should never be used again had some good reason for that.

Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's obviously a difference because people differentiate. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. In exactly the same way I don't differentiate between being maimed by a flamethrower, versus being maimed by battery acid. The presumptive idea of innate wisdom of the crowd doesn't sway me. Ask most people choose between burning their face off with a chemical or fire, and they'll likely choose fire, but getting your face burne…

I’m not saying they must be right. But they were there, they experienced it, and we did not. They may be wrong, but it would take a really strong argument to convince me of that. I’m going to start from the assumption that the people who experienced these weapons and came away with the belief that they should never be used again had some good reason for that.

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Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's obviously a difference because people differentiate. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. In exactly the same way I don't differentiate between being maimed by a flamethrower, versus being maimed by battery acid. The presumptive idea of innate wisdom of the crowd doesn't sway me. Ask most people choose between burning their face off with a chemical or fire, and they'll likely choose fire, but getting your face burne…

I’m not saying they must be right. But they were there, they experienced it, and we did not. They may be wrong, but it would take a really strong argument to convince me of that. I’m going to start from the assumption that the people who experienced these weapons and came away with the belief that they should never be used again had some good reason for that.

What I really come away from the impression veterans and civilians of the time give of, is simply that it was unsporting, undignified, and unfair.

That, much more than it was punishingly cruel, in excess of death and dismemberment by other means.

They say, yeah, it's okay to zip a supersonic bullet through soft tissue such that it shreds with cavitation, and smash it through bone that splinters and explodes, so people lose whole limbs. And that's okay. It's like a deer hunt.

But hey, you don't hunt animals by mutilating their lings with bug spray. That's no fair. You wouldn't consume an elk carcass tainted with persistent organic pollutants. No fair. We can't even bury our dead.

But, you know what? You aren't going to bury your dead, when they're incinerated by high explosives.

And hey, what's fair about war at all? What's fair about several hundred planes unloading kilotons of conventional munitions, indiscriminately, to break an apparatus of geopolitics.

Gee, unfair, undignified, unsportsmanlike, in the pain, injury and slow death (leaving a contaminated corpse) department.

When you piece those explicit details together, the real problem is that it deals a degree of harm to the perception of gallantry, duty and honor of service. It's pretty much impossible to pat a chemical burn on the back, and say "there, there, thanks for defending the country" but, you can still pull that off, when sharing the room with an amputee that lost a limb to ballistics.

Exchanging chemical weapons for aerial bombardment exhibits "differences" but nothing that makes me say "wow, one is okay, and the other isn't."

Both are essentially equally bad, and neither is remotely good, or an improvement over the other.

People have their preferences, but in the same way that they rationalize the side effect of rampant smog and pollution as bad, but millions of fatal car accidents as normal, and a calculated risk.

The real choice being put on the table though, is: Would you choose between an air war that includes both regular explosions and chemical attacks, or just a regular air war only?

At that point, the choice becomes more rational. We say: "Hmmm, well, at least I can take some of the destruction out of the equation. I get to make one kind of misery go away. I can choose X = A as an alternative to X = (A + B + C). A never goes away, and nothing can be done about that, but at least I don't have to think about B and C anymore."

So, it's not about incediaries and high explosives being okay. Or aerial bombardment being different, and better. It's just that they can't be taken off the table, under any circumstances, no matter whatever else gets negotiated. I guess it's just a fundamental characteristic of destruction, that if destroying things is on the table, the basics of destruction get to keep their scalar qualities. You can limit the method of destruction but not the quantity.

Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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Sometimes I think about aerial bombardment, and what that really meant during that period of conflict. When you think about the effort to concoct the compounds for the air war, and drop them on cities, with no guidance like lasers or anything, and then you look at the sheer tonnage dropped, and how indiscriminate it really was, you wonder how aerial bombardment is at all distinguishable from chemical weapons. It real…

The taboo against chemical warfare developed after a war that involved mass bombardment with both chemical weapons and explosives. I’m not qualified to discuss the reasons, but the people on the pointy end of the stick seem to have come away thinking that there’s a significant difference.

The reason is not complex, it’s just rarely discussed. The first time Chlorine was used it killed a lot of soldiers, because nobody had a clue what was going on and no one was equipped or trained to deal with it. By the end of the same war, chemical weapons killed very very few soldiers, because they had training, and masks. What a chemical weapon does really well is kill civilians. In particular it kills the young and old who can’t get away, who are weakest. Chemical weapons can render an area uninhabitable, one thing they’re terrible at is killing soldiers. They have MOPP suits, and training, and vehicles with filters and overpressure seals, and autoinjectors with reversal agents.

So why are chemical weapons banned? Well the talking heads like to say “they don’t work, they’re just as likely to blow back on your own troops, they’re cruel.” Really though, they do work on non-combatants. Intentionally targeting non-combatants is what’s actually illegal and discouraged. Dropping bombs to destroy a city or AA batttery while knowing that you’ll massacre civilians is seen as tacitly kosher, but just gassing the populace to the exclusion of armed manpower and armaments is very much a taboo. At least, legally and officially, although countries find ways to skirt that with defoliants, pyrophorics, nuclear weapons, etc.

Re: Aviation’s Largest Piston Engine (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mass aviation could not have happened without the turbine. The big propliners of the 50s were notorious for having engines fail in flight and had insufficient power reserves to do anything but struggle to the crash site, even with the tiny payloads they carried. 64 years ago today a KLM Constellation crashed at Shannon in Ireland, it was carrying 56 people. That's miniscule and was only sustainable with fares that th…

I disagree. The desire for aviation came in thanks in part to the war, and was there with or without jets in amongst post-war growth. Jets certainly helped the growth in size, and grew the market faster than it could have without. The market was already there and growing. Prop aircraft would have grown too had there been no jet engines, though I doubt we'd have got to 300+ capacity - but who knows? On seating. The DH…

Even the 707 didn't really make it cheap yet.

At least over here, the last significant price drop was after 2000 or so with Ryanair etc. with 737:s and A320:s. Probably a new business model in other ways as well. Single aisle, two reliable high bypass engines. There were still DC-9 derivatives flying around but no more really.

I bet you could calculate maintenance man hour per kilowatt hour for all sorts of engines.

Even the old manual flight control operations without computers meant the amount of work hours per flight was big - meaning for an ordinary worker it would not be possible.

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