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YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry
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#42Downloading the sound of youtube videos is illegal now?
It has always been illegal. Both for songs and for regular videos, even vlogs. You don't have the copyright to the recording, the creator of the video (or the owner for the sync/mechanical rights for a piece of music) has.
Illegal in what country? This is essentially taping TV or radio, which is legal, right?
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
It has always been illegal. Both for songs and for regular videos, even vlogs. You don't have the copyright to the recording, the creator of the video (or the owner for the sync/mechanical rights for a piece of music) has.
Really? I was under the impression that there's no legal distinction between "the website sending you a file and you caching it in memory" and "the website sending you a file and you storing it on your hard drive". (Redistributing the file, or breaking DRM, are different matters.)
The have a terms of service, and ripping in this way is against it.
"It IS illegal to convert copyrighted music videos into downloads. That said, nobody has been sued for this (yet).
Again, it is completely legal to watch any video you want on YouTube. Streaming from a legitimate site is permitted under copyright law. And if it doesn’t involve creating a video mp3 or download, you’re in the clear.
But, it IS illegal to create a personal download conversion of a copyrighted work under US copyright law. That includes an mp3, mp4, or any other download file type from your videos convert process."
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/10/10/youtube-to-mp3-s...
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't say it too loud or they'll replace your ports with some fancy DRM safe stuff.
Like they did with HDMI?
Wait, what? There's DRM in HDMI?
Bloody hell!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content...
Stop protecting bytes from being copied!
Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry
#45You can have my youtube-dl when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
I was just thinking "nobody tell them about youtube-dl"! I wouldn't be surprised if half of these YouTube-to-MP3 sites are using it in the background - why wouldn't they? Should be pretty easy to containerize the program. I actually wonder sometimes how they are able to provide these conversions given progressions in ad-blockers. There is absolutely no way to stop pirating. Long before the internet was fast enough (o…
My guess would be that the music industry would rather point people at the download sites, that can be stopped with a court-order than point people at youtube-dl, which would require more effort to suppress.
I would also argue the music industry cares more about control than about raw sales. This is because, they aim for: A. a fixed tax of "what you're willing to pay for entertainment" from everyone in a given country, B. an ability to manage trends and use that trend management to bring residuals (movies, toys, fashion-shoot, whatever for their established artists). C. a strong bargaining position versus their artists - the more they can say "we made you, we can break you and replace you", the more leverage they have in negotiations.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
How about buying what they have the sole rights to sell, instead of downloading without compensating them? Or just getting something else, which is available freely? That the artist might not get most of the money, is not an argument, since the artist already signed agreeing to that.
“I’m not saying it’s unfair. I’m saying it won’t work.” Companies exist to serve their customers. The companies that forget this tend to decline.
How about the case where the customers are various shareholders and not end-users?
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
It has always been illegal. Both for songs and for regular videos, even vlogs. You don't have the copyright to the recording, the creator of the video (or the owner for the sync/mechanical rights for a piece of music) has.
Illegal in what country? This is essentially taping TV or radio, which is legal, right?
As per Google's YouTube terms of service: "you agree not to access Content through any technology or means other than the video playback pages of the Website itself, the YouTube Player, or such other means YouTube may explicitly designate for this purpose".
There are also more nuances to it. E.g. lots of songs and movies on YouTube are uploaded illegally, and the ability to download personal copies doesn't extend to illegal material produced due a copyright violation. That for example is the case in German law. (So e.g. an official VEVO music video would be ok).
>This is essentially taping TV or radio, which is legal, right?
Taping TV or radio in some countries is allowed as part of a time-shifting permission (to be able to watch/hear at a later date when it's not longer broadcast). But technically this applies to broadcast media, not to online video which you can watch at a later time online anyway.
Note also that "fair use" is not applicable outside the US, specific laws apply to different countries, and in Europe things are usually towards more the creators/publisher's side.
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#48The biggest piracy threat to the music industry is my sound card. I can record any sound that comes out of the speakers.
So you don't think it possible for an inaudible DRM scheme to be embedded into the music? Perhaps a signal to any digital recorders? I wouldn't put it past Apple to forbid one Apple product from recording anything broadcast by another.
This is already a thing in another medium: money. Digital printers, and some software packages, are trained to identify embedded signals to disrupt attempt to scan/print paper currency.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
How about buying what they have the sole rights to sell, instead of downloading without compensating them? Or just getting something else, which is available freely? That the artist might not get most of the money, is not an argument, since the artist already signed agreeing to that.
“I’m not saying it’s unfair. I’m saying it won’t work.” Companies exist to serve their customers. The companies that forget this tend to decline.
>Companies exist to serve their customers.
No problem then, because those who get their songs off of YouTube are not their customers (or, in any case, are not their customers for those particular songs).
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#50Seems like they're always bitching about something. How about innovating, guys?
Innovation is what you need to do if people don’t want your product. Here, people clearly want the product, so how would innovation help?
What is the music industry's product though? The musician? Or just the marketing? Certainly not the music, they show no respect for the music.
To be clear, I think you are right, people want the product. Just I think the music industry product is actually facilitating groupthink about popularity. Even then they have a 99 in 100 failure rate.
It used to be about distribution. Seems pretty clear (from anecdata) that artists these days selling independently or even on platforms like bandcamp (which is awesome) make more on a couple hundred sales than artists with record companies make on a couple thousand.
And i think you are right that innovation won't help them. Or at least, this is actually the way they innovate.. Through bullying and legislation. And to that end, I hope they go to hell.