Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers • Hacker News Board

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by kurthr » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:18 PM UTC

prolikewh0a wrote: post #22

madeuptempacct wrote: post #2

I just want to point out that this is an exceptionally well-researched and cited article, didn't expect that (which is funny - I just realized I set a lower standard for mainstream media than the tech blog posts I read that people write in their free time).

Where is the evidence that it's actually happening?

Since the article title says Theory and the described effects happened in the past, what specific evidence would you accept?

Do you expect that evidence to be forthcoming in any eventuality?

Does that mean that this topic should never be discussed?

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by jessaustin » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:18 PM UTC

shindog wrote: post #31

tw1010 wrote: post #9

My spookometer isn't going off because of what happened with the diplomats, but why the story is covered so darn much in the news.

Easy it’s casus belli to create (likely already exist) and use similar weapons.

The fact that such alleged attacks are reported both in Cuba and in China, which nations have very little history of technical collaboration, makes it more likely that the alleged weapon was actually used by elements of USA bureaucracy. USA diplomats are the common thread here, no matter what purpose is assumed. It will certainly not be the first case of those serving the military-industrial complex being directly victimized by same.

If Russia had just wanted to play with their new toy while victimizing people with no local sympathy, they could have hit e.g. guest workers in Dubai and Western expats in Thailand. Actually they have lots of isolated communities in Siberia they could have observed more easily while staying out of the news completely.

Even if the "what", "where", and "when" ends up conforming to current "journalistic" speculation in these cases, the "how", "why", and "who" will probably never be really known. It's fine to be suspicious when Russian media are blaming USA, because they are "rivals". In the reversed case, why wouldn't one retain that suspicion?

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by jonny_eh » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:18 PM UTC

tw1010 wrote: post #9

My spookometer isn't going off because of what happened with the diplomats, but why the story is covered so darn much in the news.

Because it's super interesting? I never heard of this Frey Effect before, nor about the military's "active denial system".

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by JetSpiegel » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:19 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #38

prolikewh0a wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially knowing the USA has been a thorn in Cuba's side since the 50's, repeatedly trying to kill Castro and undermine their economic system. Americans live under constant propaganda from their own government, deployed by their own mainstream newspapers and TV media. Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent' is an eye opening look into the continuous war/regime change drum that's beating inside the USA. This is just more…

Cuba has been led by a dictatorship regime so I can see why US would like to change it. You don't need propaganda to see for yourself that Cuba has no free elections. So far US used sanctions instead of war and it seems it didn't work.

It was a dictatorship before, but the US was supportive then. Only some dictatorships are bad.

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by danharaj » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #38

prolikewh0a wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially knowing the USA has been a thorn in Cuba's side since the 50's, repeatedly trying to kill Castro and undermine their economic system. Americans live under constant propaganda from their own government, deployed by their own mainstream newspapers and TV media. Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent' is an eye opening look into the continuous war/regime change drum that's beating inside the USA. This is just more…

Cuba has been led by a dictatorship regime so I can see why US would like to change it. You don't need propaganda to see for yourself that Cuba has no free elections. So far US used sanctions instead of war and it seems it didn't work.

The United States has supported dictatorships let alone allowed them to exist. Like Batista. In... Cuba.

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by stephen_g » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #38

prolikewh0a wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially knowing the USA has been a thorn in Cuba's side since the 50's, repeatedly trying to kill Castro and undermine their economic system. Americans live under constant propaganda from their own government, deployed by their own mainstream newspapers and TV media. Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent' is an eye opening look into the continuous war/regime change drum that's beating inside the USA. This is just more…

Cuba has been led by a dictatorship regime so I can see why US would like to change it. You don't need propaganda to see for yourself that Cuba has no free elections. So far US used sanctions instead of war and it seems it didn't work.

The US has installed or supported more than a few dictators... Do you really think that American intervention has anything to do with democracy?

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by snorrah » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:22 PM UTC

So in this thread we have mrtksn calling this lousy journalism, and madeuptemcappt saying it’s a well-researched and cited article.

So which is it?

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by a3n » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:24 PM UTC

greesil wrote: post #27

Looks like the tinfoil hat crowd has been right all along.

After Snowden, I'm much less dismissive of thin foil hats.

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by JetSpiegel » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:24 PM UTC

jonny_eh wrote: post #43

tw1010 wrote: post #9

My spookometer isn't going off because of what happened with the diplomats, but why the story is covered so darn much in the news.

Because it's super interesting? I never heard of this Frey Effect before, nor about the military's "active denial system".

The Frey guy even supports the theory that the Russians are coming here, infecting our bodily fluids.

The active denial system was sold as a better water cannon to disperse protests, since it burns the skin over T-Shirts.

Re: Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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Post by Timmah » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 3:25 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #38

prolikewh0a wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially knowing the USA has been a thorn in Cuba's side since the 50's, repeatedly trying to kill Castro and undermine their economic system. Americans live under constant propaganda from their own government, deployed by their own mainstream newspapers and TV media. Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent' is an eye opening look into the continuous war/regime change drum that's beating inside the USA. This is just more…

Cuba has been led by a dictatorship regime so I can see why US would like to change it. You don't need propaganda to see for yourself that Cuba has no free elections. So far US used sanctions instead of war and it seems it didn't work.

> no free elections.

Neither do the US. Ask Bernie Sanders.