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Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

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Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#41

Start worrying when the banks stop offering mortgages to people trying to buy property in south beach. I remember when Katrina flooded New Orleans, lots of people were asking why rebuild the city when it almost certainly will flood like that again. And the answer was a simple, do you know how much it would cost to relocate everyone? What does it do to the economy when almost everyones largest asset(their house) is wo…

> They would get some government assistence with the condition that this was the first and only time that the governmnet would help. We'll see how well that holds up next time those people need assistance. Somehow I don't see any elected politician telling his voters "sorry, we already helped you".

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Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's been a brain drain happening in a lot of red states in recent decades. The educated people who have the ability and will to leave often do, leaving behind an increasingly ignorant population. It's coincidental that this same geographic region will be most affected by sea level rise, although nowhere on earth will be immune to the effects of climate change.

Do you have any evidence for this claim?

Here are a couple articles I've found about MS and NE:

1. https://mississippitoday.org/2016/07/13/mississippi-brain-dr...

2. https://www.omaha.com/news/education/higher-education/nebras...

College-educated workers want and need to live in more urban areas that have employers in future-forward industries. From a cultural aspect, I think these people also want to live in municipalities (up to state government) that are run by people that share their values. Among the educated, these values are increasingly progressive.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#43

Have we seen any sea level rise in the US yet? I think people would buy into it more once we have pictures of roads and buildings being hit by water at high tide.

Yes. Here you go (from the Chesapeake Bay foundation): http://cbforg.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapJournal/index.html?app...

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#44

At a rate of 0-3 mm/year or 1 foot/century its going to be hard to convince anyone to care about the sea level. https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html

That's an interesting map. Any idea why there are down and up arrows intermingled the way they are?

From my understanding the down arrows indicate the coast is expanding. The key at the bottom says the down arrows are negative sea level growth

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's been a brain drain happening in a lot of red states in recent decades. The educated people who have the ability and will to leave often do, leaving behind an increasingly ignorant population. It's coincidental that this same geographic region will be most affected by sea level rise, although nowhere on earth will be immune to the effects of climate change.

Funny, Florida is getting an influx of people exiting the Northeast due to the local tax cap changes of the current administration and our high prop and local taxes here. It's all over the press. Thus I'm skeptical. And "brain drains" refer to skilled employees leaving, not some intelligence or education level which you're implying.

"Skilled" work is increasingly correlated with educational attainment.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#46
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Part of the problem here is exacerbated by all the flood insurance that effectively subsidizes building in flood plains. In addition to long term measures to mitigate climate change, we should have a tax on areas that are threatened by flooding and water levels rising so that we can reduce the immediate issues by incentivizing people to move away from them.

A proper flood insurance would be a tax for flood-prone areas. Rates are calculated so that for any given house the expected insurance payouts are slightly lower that the insurance premiums over the next few decades. The insurance has a high incentive to get those numbers right (or overestimate payouts) because that's their profit margin.

Government subsizided flood insurance is a really weird subsidy that just shouldn't exist.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#47
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Part of the problem here is exacerbated by all the flood insurance that effectively subsidizes building in flood plains. In addition to long term measures to mitigate climate change, we should have a tax on areas that are threatened by flooding and water levels rising so that we can reduce the immediate issues by incentivizing people to move away from them.

I wonder if people living in coastal flood-prone areas are expecting a bail-out when it becomes impossible or impractical to live there.

As much as it'd be great to just point a finger and say "You should of known better!", houses are the bulk of most folks assets and the last thing we need is to turn a few small cities worth of people into homeless refugees.

So realistically they'll get a bail out so they can at least recover somewhat. It will still be a loss for them, it'll be a loss to everyone who pays taxes, but it's still better then the alternatives.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#48

Interestingly, the Miami housing market outlook for 2019 is excellent, in spite of this news. https://gordcollins.com/real-estate/miami-real-estate-foreca... It would appear that people who actually have skin in the game believe otherwise.

It is possible that they think otherwise exactly because they already have skin in the game.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence for this claim?

His own smug sense of superiority should suffice.

I guess if you insult one commenter you get downvotes, but if you insult half of the population no one bats an eye?

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's been a brain drain happening in a lot of red states in recent decades. The educated people who have the ability and will to leave often do, leaving behind an increasingly ignorant population. It's coincidental that this same geographic region will be most affected by sea level rise, although nowhere on earth will be immune to the effects of climate change.

Funny, Florida is getting an influx of people exiting the Northeast due to the local tax cap changes of the current administration and our high prop and local taxes here. It's all over the press. Thus I'm skeptical. And "brain drains" refer to skilled employees leaving, not some intelligence or education level which you're implying.

I've always seen brain drain used to reference the educated leaving an area. Frequently calling out professors and other educators leaving as part of the brain drain
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